April 1980 talk, Serial No. 00905

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spire our minds are words or thoughts were the words of our mouths and the meditations of our hearts he always acceptable to you this we ask to christ or
so last time are we saw something about the concept of faith and religion we saw how some with a clear distinction between these two on bart remember who seems says as profoundly christian and salvific and religion as kind of the basic human in
fidelity to up to fate you have this kind of dialectic than we saw the up approaches and thomas which also distinguishes faith from religion but sees religion as a pasta virtual related to justice related to giving god his do so to speak and then we saw the
rauner proposal that in each human person nurses basic of exigency for the absolute and the christian faith fulfills this completes this then we wanted to look at such challenges in the modern world to the stance of faith and read
legion and of the monastic life
why deal with these challenges why not just ignore them as these are these infidels saying no to us to our faith to earn just wave of why even give them a sort of the time of day so to speak up if sort of the golden age of monasticism whether one's judgment to compete
a fourth century and not in egypt or the twelfth century and enough whatever be our judgment why not go directly there why work through these people like freud and mark suit modern secularism etc you're far whole effort is to list of according to an idea which they deny
why why worry about it sort of thing
we proposed the theological an argument that we have been born in this age and in this comment
and we suggested that this is the direct will of god remember we said you can't blame everything on the will of god it there was a terrible car accident on the or we can see will god wilted know of this of was probably just human negligence for instance but there are some things that god directly will
god directly wilfred for instance the incarnation god directly will have our salvation the resurrection well since me one must hurt you that god directly will and i personally board in that day and in that place my parents wanted vaguely a child but they didn't want
my unique person they didn't foresee with or even if the male or female the my unique person was born precise and that and this it sees me and to theologians has to be traced to the direct will of god and so for each of god wills you to be contemporaries westerners of merit
guns god wants this so that in some sense i did we have to come to terms with this will of god why discard what maybe i feel much more home in the fourth century desert experience with with us notes or with moses said the black or whatever but that made you what i want but
god wants from here
now we are living in this amazing age where i can in fact be there we have so many books and scholarly studies etc we can largely reconstruct to some extent for century desert or twelfth century wanted out those or the monastery of st bernard who was so i can get there and i might have a certain point feel myself
work on there than here but it seems to me i have to get there sort of going through coming to terms with were god will be to start one
so someone in ohio might be the great expert on the fourth century and india or something but still i think he has to recognize that he is a modern ohioan and it is from that point of view the t so that surfeasy is everyone at peace with this so i think it is healthy for us just basically spiritually for own
schumann and christian and monastic authenticity to recognize that were twentieth century americans and that are thought our reflex action has been shaped and molded by certain things certain thinkers and center and it's better in a kind of a mature directly to come to terms with these things for ourselves and
also for any kind of contact and of to what we might be doing with people who come here but basically just have with ourselves the basic principle in the spiritual eye to start where your act to be who you are and they will run from there as you wish but you've got to come the terms i am not
living in a cave in the seventh century and murder
okex so today we're going to try to come to terms with one of sort of the giants of our time who had a great tool to say about religion and faith and he's one of the kind of turning points in the modern experience and he's inside of us even
that sigmund freud and he proposes i think what are the most radical challenges to any form of religion and to any form of faith
ah and it's quite a radical challenge and it's had quite an influence on i think everyone knows who knows anything about him at all of us know something about him
now my thesis will be going through him going through those who follow him finally we come out on the positive side so to speak that his immediate radical know to the agency will be followed by also to the new one things and find me some of his own disciples will come out saying just the opposite of what he say
said regarding religion and faith he'll be seen just basically that all religion is is fundamentally same is fundamentally neurotic until the people who start out as his disciples such as your as sexually will end up say every expression of religion and faith is basically an expression of so
ikea growth and health so the tables will be completely turned but i don't think we have a right to get to young in our surgery until a sort of we've gone through the fires of babylon we've gone through the fires of sigmund freud
this is so freud i think what does have to say i'm a towering genius of of the modern age she had a tremendous influence on psychology he is the father of psychoanalysis but not just on man he's had a tremendous influence on on aren't on painting
impressionism to surrealism expressionism on the novel
films and music and address everything is psychological drama sort of things and if you just listen to young people
it's hard for them speak half an hour without for the language coming through what sort of neurotic or behavior or a strong super ego or a defense mechanism works of
this sort of thing complex
all this language repression fixation all me since and also in our own language
i think here now before one becomes a permanent member of the community is invited to a a dialogue with a psychologist or something
this suggests we had film cameras
that we are no longer just ignoring this whole dimension so a sister benedicta in your tapes at a certain point she says the fathers of the desert with the first psychologists so here she's using a model it's largely created by secret for it and she's applying it to the for
fathers will want to ask later in one since
but quickly if one of the functions of the monkeys to have a certain custody of its own farts impressions moods desires inspirations it's or to discern what is valid for what might be a little
not healthy of there's a clear parallel there so when did it freud and die more or less just to try to situated
in the other guesses does that seem too early to late to irving said eighty oh
everyone's in agreement that know when to bring

many people normally put him in the last century but it was nineteen thirty nine that he died so it's such but sometimes people think well it was towards the end of last century or towards even the middle of the last century but up so he's almost our contemporary i think this is amazing to show how he started
it's just to have exploded and just expanded to the whole the western world but i think it's coming into the east also but but nineteen forty was a pretty good death
now if you look in the documents of vatican two there's all sorts of positive references also to psychology and minor seminary which should nurturing of the psychology and at there's various references in various documents on the church in the modern world talks about scientific spirit exerts
a new kind of impact on the cultural sphere and other modes of thought technology is now transporting the face of the earth advances by biology psychology and social sciences not only bring me the hope of improved self knowledge conjunction with technical methods they are also helping me to exert direct influence and a life of social groups etc
the church is recognizing that there is this six of course freudian psychoanalysis is one thing and all the other various schools of psychotherapy psychology is another etc but i think we have to acknowledge it and a certain sense it it's involved he is the father of this whole thing there were things before him
but to give up on coherent organic convincing
theory and model of the human psyche etc
at his basic categories are still found whether it's mean you were an advert young for instance died and sixty one and a jolly did you meet us a jolly know we went and talked with him he said disciple both of floyd in young there's a school of psychosynthesis down in san francis
scope know he died in seventy seven i chatted with him so these are are answered great giants about a time and contemporaries
so what would be a theological ground common ground here for dialoguing with a freud being freed up at a whole correspondence with a lutheran minister and he was very courteous and correct and you invited this dialogue and has been going ever since
but clearly we hold the human person is the image of god and the whole human person not just the spiritual but god create the whole human person so if there is such a thing princesses and unconsciousness
or kind of psychic energy to look into whatever we want to call it up somehow
this all his image of god and somehow god wills the redemption the healing the making all of his whole human person we sometimes book is very much on the spiritual dimension this is good but we shouldn't forget that of our incarnation religion has to do with the whole huge
one person and healing the whole human person and elderly me last summer we had a conference on therapy and theology
i'm therapy and greek is a word that is used by the father's regarding up in effect of the gospel or it was called therapy and curricula that this was one to be no chances creations but correct my heels you see this is the basic theme cycle
analysis wants to heal the human person or basically is the gospel also wants to heal the human person so there's something very parallel going on here the church is called to alleviate human anguish suffering
and it's to bring the person in the fullness of maturity freedom etc now this is what a psychoanalyst like for it says he wants to do one so
for it was a tremendous humanist i think it's hard to deny he was tremendously since here he was tremendously sort of wounded by human suffering and he didn't think that the other attempts to come to terms with this it really worked and he had a kind of a very naive conception that psychotherapy psychoanalysis
this would bring the healing of human kind and magic and superstitions and said to it's sort of just fade away because there's no he no longer any need for these of primitive attempts to heal the human person so it would be scientific medicine and same scientific psychoanalysis would finally bring the human person to a situation of happiness joy mature
city etc
well now we're not against these things so of there is a common language there
up will find adding more to floyd certain theses that the human person is much more mysterious than we might image much more complicated and also much more fragile and you can reconcile this with with good christian doctrine
a freud says trade is also against a kind of naive bourgeois optimism infant that person has a lovely wife a lovely job or lovely house must be terribly happen for instance you might have all of these seats and be in terrible anguish be in a kind of an inner hill
well so floyd wants to get beyond the superficial than here of a kind of an easy materialism and say human persons much more fragile and which were indeed of understanding into healing the that we might imagine and
the cursor peerless of christianity you
questions comments
ah then now many of you might know quite a bit about freud a model of the site etc
and if you read freud and all of you read freud
book sooner the library here either by voyager armed for the first and many many are you by human centric anyway so we'll go through some very elementary things with a certain embarrassment that some people might be much more attempts than respect what is the how are we build i was are cited construct
it this is something that also could be a certain interest to monks but
what are the various components of our inner psychic life this is the basic question of freud we might first tried to send a kind of sketch what's a kind of a normal common sense model of the psyche how am i build sort of think if you go up to a jaw and street and s got him
you know that i was your psyche built
he might they be the questions are inserted into to do people see that but i think you might want something like well here either you know and this is he this is by conscious life and we monks might see different levels there's no
get all that reason and then some kind of faculty
oliver is part with the highest people to discuss that somebody perfect especially in contact with god just as my me i suppose to another person and contact contact for you our world and when the inner world of god and then we might admit
little strange pocket of fantasies sometimes we catch ourselves daydream
and then we have a strange dream world are some certainly some sort of unconscious world their what happens at night where this you are more reasonable everyday unconscious need to sort of
turns off experience students if you start to think about and then in the morning we sort of terminology or it gets turned on again and it takes up from where we were the night before which where did it go see i will asleep but his words to surf work cover the mystery that explain
but anyway we admit this little pocket of dreams and unconsciousness we know that there's some things that i forgotten that i now can't remember that i could maybe remember tomorrow they might pop back you are just can't get my handbag the surfing so this might be some sort of a common sense
model of me this whole big erie is my conscious daily life the developer various dimensions faculties of
of emotions and real reason am i got pretty much control just so i can control my emotions etc but that's me and the dreams are interested in sort of fun but they don't really mean a great deal just a sort of weird
parentheses in my normal rational wife and a great deal with
our thinking of are dealing with people presupposes that their bill like that to and our judgments about people are they responsible they not responsible are they good people they not good are based upon this kind of working model video source spiritual life distinguishing them different levels and authentic
two city of an attraction of grey server vocation cetera of who am i sort of thing we have to start of i think they presuppose that kind of model or something like
did you
now freud
how to build his model sort of just from nothing there was very little work being done before him up some but so he had the kind of create out of nothing is models and so there's a kind of present progression is that you start there's an early floyd and a laser floyd this is often very import
we're dealing with people you sometimes have to distinguish are you talking about the early void or the middle for into the later for the early marks or the later marks this is decisive in europe for instance or many early augusta or the later augustan up so we do want to nuance wants this a little now freud said
keep this in mind
to be moved over to left
so do is that like the conscious self and can direct so we use contact with the world i know what the world is really about i see it i feel that i touch a common sense judgment you know just where you get the emotions to out of control
he says there is there isn't a this conscious level obviously this a level where i am aware of me i'm aware now that i'm standing here in the tables there in your and sort of thing so there is the consciousness what is present and when i identify as mean just that he makes as much much smaller so be
sort of the tip of iceberg the consciousness this is his first model
finish what he calls and similar australians the pre consciousness
that is that area of me it is not immediately now have a word up open to present to my consciousness but i can drink shut up with a certain effort if someone asked me when were you born that right now wasn't present to be the date but i can pull it out
the date or someone asks who are some of your friends in elementary schools with him or who was the president before carter sort of thing that's not now present to you but with a certain effort you could pull it out that's what he calls a pretty conscious gets immediately got a threshold sort
speed and with that that sort of the rest of the iceberg and thirty it's much bigger than mine immediate consciousness but what normally would call my memory
that's immense
and it influences were clearly ways i'm not always aware of all the things i remember about come out more about moons are about whatever be that's influencing now if i'm doing something of
vaguely related to use
now this is the real through idea breakthrough says there's a third dimension which equality and consciousness which you can for visuals purposes maginnis a shoe joshi immense in which this little iceberg is filming the unconsciousness which is not a
available to my consciousness even vultures efforts
but it is there and it's tremendously influential on me think of the tremendous currents of this immense ocean on this little ice for it'll push it hither and thither etc and held parts of it and go other parts of the according to the temperatures it's so consciousness prix car
justice and unconsciousness and this immense and consciousness inside of each one of us which is that whole area of everything i've ever experienced that still there though i can get out
my grandmother interfering
last year suddenly german verbs started popping into her head she had studied german in high school
it was sixty years earlier and then she quite promptly forgotten i never knew to term never liked the german curiously in a very last year's he's german verbs can now they had always been in there floating around in that ocean
but never president either to a consciousness and unfortunately in exams etc weren't to retreat consciousness but there
and this terrific everything that happened to assist with new big swiftly
we we had our eyes or and we were listening it's and precedence but we're not aware that time that mom who fought terribly daddy and i started screaming or the time only since are there and are influencing me
oh look i'm not aware now sometimes i can manage this and there's no problem sometimes it gets very weird and i realize their strange pressure's going on inside i don't know what happened to me mrs attempts we recognize that there's this strange forces or he really was off
this hits the think of other forces inside of him about machine was not aware took over to certain
and this and for it is largely
interested in this unconsciousness this is a sacred knows we weren't made my day to a dateline focus on the consciousness and you should have done this and enchant practice this will be at this hour and the system wave of augustus seem to prayer etc the thing with roy disease and he's very interested in his uncut
consciousness this what he just as as immense ocean inside insurance
and we can get to this will mean very indirectly in weird ways like through our dreams ah through so-called freudian slips this sort of thing
one of the monk sector incarnation he works at the hospital and he said psychiatric nurse reputation yes boss was a permanent pretty tremendous one fears
she is called i cold or something mrs i called and he's continue wanting to call her mrs eichmann was the rights
he has to watch them so very carefully because the slip what's good about
so there are these freudian slips up a dumb sometimes come out and according to throw in the hate because sometimes on our conscious level we're very happy a great piece and in our unconscious level were extremely unhappy an extreme agitated sort of thing so he wants to get
and or can sometimes be the best
at which is an interesting thing also the monks if the basic functions to one is to give your appearance to who am i really we want to the other levels but we're also not an interested perhaps of this sort of thing not i'm interested someone comes here beating them the door i've got to become of them and i got to because
he was divinely revealed to etc you can get me as modern who can be our little suspicious of these you know there's it seems to be tool as we see a compulsive there's there's forces at work at this human person that are not just divine grace and three will cut to sort of thing
oh i can't make it in the world but a beep it we're now we're more aware of these other forces and simply the ration will simply the spiritual simply displeasure
she was paint
so this was his first bottle
then he built up his famous second models which is an entirely different dimension to the human psyche it doesn't deny this always be supposes but sort of chefs and i'm indifferent of dimension and very quickly it's the super joseph
but he goes
and it is it
with all sorts of other elements and visit section
all of these are largely unconscious it just that the ego as an area of consciousness in an area of consciousness but there's also dimensions unconscious dimensions of the ego so that's how this plugs into this so if you think of the consciousness sort of here gazing out of the outer wall sort of the concrete just this year
and all the rest of this unconscious
now what is this up
yet though it's super ego he says interestingly enough that this develops with our own development as babies so it's tied him to are moving forward from our first months into our first few years he says what is the it take a newborn baby and you've got
you're in it's a level of sure automatic reflexes poor impulse pure in instincts dry schemes the little it maybe have to just born baby of feel some sort of fear to scream
sets all doesn't worry whatever when post-op any vanderbilts is about screaming in front of others just screams not worried about these other things or watts nourishment immediately goes towards it just say well i just ate half an hour
putting on a or something exists immediacy to it
well as to urinate no problems mr there's tommy immediacy and we say it's a lovely baby and it's growing so should we use the interfere
for it is extremely attentive to these little said we would never say it's a lovely young man or it's a lovely woman
but we would say it's lovely lovely baby
and we don't immediately an attempt to little baby who screams the first dog days because that's just for the little bit sad it's immediate spontaneous of drives emotions with february basic needs of world and nourishment
i'm sort of thing according to the psychoanalyst get into theories here that can be discussed but the immediately born baby does not distinguish
itself as overcomes the world it's just one thing reality whether the mother's dress to the light or the it's all that
then as time goes on from the weeks go on from the first month to the fear the eagle develops that immediacy is no longer there the baby start screaming bush dad he's trying to sneak through it and the baby rooms that she
can get more attention and affection if she shuts up a little and as she knocks down the milk of mother gets angry sort of think she starts mediating between her immediate impulses and this other world of mommy and daddy
to try to get more in control of the theme
floyd yes interesting period that the eco developed largely because of frustration smartly because immediate needs are not immediately answer
if everything were immediately answered according to orthodox floyd in theory the eco not develop the baby would remain at this kind of animal it's just a pure animal animal and this is interesting also theological center of the whole thing about the hard
banks sword but it's true having to come to terms with a context that doesn't always say yes yes and as always satisfied as always looking at israel and the baby slob are some things that suomi that get becomes martha that becomes gabriel or something and more
more distinguished from that other baby there
two just immediate be born babies are not it's the back different except media how etc but the psychological makeup is not immediately evident but it's as the months pass here this is certainly gabriel was quite different from martha martha was spat personality
this comes slowly so the ego is starts mediating between all these drives urges the come from your consciousness and this outer world and starts distinguishing
as you go out into the fifth and sixth years and be very complicated happens and the super ego develops
now this is floyd the inferior were getting into now it's contested by other psychoanalyst but it gets for empyrean the have to go through it to get the this theory about religion all this we always have something to do with religion union so
the kid let's say let's deal with a meal boy five years old
he loves his mom noodles versus daddy this love of money
as a strange sexual component this is part of a fertile period
because all attraction all the peter org psychic energies has for is specifically sexual character this is very contested by others at your new mean cetera but prefer it this isn't so the child about five years or really holds out among these
april ah sometimes we say about respond swiftly and starts at the unconscious level being a little irritated the daddy is always around because daddy is never seen as reprisal to this special attention to mommy
and for the little girl baby it's worth the other way the girl is normally attracted to the parent of the opposite sex ed gets the parent at the same sex we've seen this revival now at a certain point but child who is called
at a press development of actually and the unconsciousness even feeling a kind of aggression and each towards once father to evil and wanting to possess love among such a weird
this is the oedipus complex of right to use remember from the played greek tragedy by some deserve smurf it actually
actually without having it ah kills his own father in various asthma and the thing is this is grotesque this is the worst thing you can happen to anyone it's renders for down not only for it is why does this if we think about it really is sort of play to our says why does it
phyllis with such rolling because i'm unconscious level each of us has been benefits each of us has at the age of five or six years trying to eliminate daddy and possess mommy that's the oedipus crisis and how do we get through this crisis we come to the realization by
can really deliberately damage used to bake is to skirmish
so if there's a strange mechanism
have identified with daddy if i can't eliminating or become i'll become a young
use and i interior rise
my father this is already unconscious them and also his values also his do's and don'ts also has one world thing also his religious few so here are getting very closely he's a very very devout christian catholic this will get inside of me and this becomes my soup
pretty go
not just this it comes from all sorts of other authority figures also from another also for the institution of their sisters arrived teaching me that will get into my super ego priests and doctor place etc of to a five year old boy that's dirty that's all there and i mean i remember your sector
but an unconscious level are super ego and turning that sturdy don't sort of thing
so after six years or if i passed successfully through this oedipus complex i interior i was my father fortnite mobile europe me in their hand and that gets you up him you get psychological sickness is obviously of sexual identity etc and then my psychic so
structures and sense and is complete and here again note that unless i go through this oedipus complex i won't be psychically complete according to for the theory
so unless i get to the we actually have one to unconsciously eat and kill my father and substance possess a radically my mother the side of this i won't be a mature person so here's a three and theory or like was really six eggs just normal of good irish catholic
morality doesn't interfere you know it's very naughty to want to kill your father sort of thing friends in this doesn't interests on an unconscious level it's all on this very portrait development of happy
so at that point the psyche is complete
now what does the ego have to do when the seven year old boy what's happening he's sitting there at table and is little nasty sister in this two years older than him she just wants support trip and submission under the table she stomped his foot certain things as
and so he meekly as this reality experience of team and and he did immediately spring some anger that that lousy sister in law killer surfing and then maybe it maybe a superego it seemed to him what his father always said you'd be blind to your sister jude
raise your voice to room and at table you know we observe every posts so we just
balances them so his ego has to mediate the three forces this chart again it's coming in through his foot his in which is furious and hurt and all this and as superego the same so he's kind of handles mean he says to himself well i happen to do anything now
but when i get it alone club his ego and is working out trying to come up with some sort of tactic that can handle all these forces and come up with something that saves his own self esteem and his own identity and deal successfully was on indian say it's a pious christian ix
this not sure the other cheek for when he really shines sharks out and then the father says right side with him might say all sorts of things can happen here but the function of the eagle is to basically mediate these three dimensions the outside objective world
the superego but saying don't do good bad dirty and the it is i just simply want to kill that person or possess that pursue or whatever
you know young man's walking on the streets is a very attractive girl immediately is year might want to just possessor enters his super egos says no go you must think and so he might end up going were in egypt to seek himself in very gentilly or what he's doing is mediated all these forces and tried to
find an acceptable way a socially
acceptable way of dealing with on integrating the wall of coming to terms with a mop
this is so anything we do any activity in a period of silence any choice we made according to freud and i think in other terms of any psychologists would be basically trying to come to terms with these various forces so someone comes to the hermitage she wants to become a permanent now all these forces are
somehow at willow and that subtle thing is to discern wood or i feel it and tremendous attraction tomorrow cynicism i can handle need a date for all of wind
i'm sure out when though i have to ask how much of this is my super ego it's telling me unconscious unconsciously you've been bad and got to punish yourself sort of thing for how much cricket who knows what is desire to emerge or whatever
but this sort of discernment would have to be
also has acquired highly developed over time
so we'll move on and tried to par
get some other little details of this and very quickly see how this plugs into remission
oh this morning so this year is a kind of a pressure cooker there's all this psychic energy down here and i've gotta handle it we sometimes see of a person's got lots of energy and we can cause he's got lots of energy could just gotta do something new
now our agreement friday and period which has been taken over by human knowledge you can do several things with it you can give immediate expression to it and this can be dangerous someone who just gets furious and really comes another person
oh that's one way just giving direct expression to a desire in college i had a roommate who was and is which is punched another and everyone was horrified isn't business cottage double punch other people you can really tell them to pieces brutally or which remember physically punching she had given direct expression
to his search so you can work that way or you can what's called sublimated
you can that he is not give it the direct expression that it wants but sort of deflected in another direction but that is socially acceptable
on my brother when he was shown at all of angry nervous energy and he had a punching bag in his garage and grabbed hours corbyn's now this was socially acceptable and you know he would build a personal identity and things into the family could deal with see my brother is out there when she bagged
up that's what is this is sublimation of getting all this energy in another i'm socially acceptable area according to freud and michelangelo gets up there paints for years and years assisting this is also similar nations have all this nervous energy and he's giving it increase
native expression and everything in civilization is fruit of sublimation
that is not giving direct expression but indirect nuanced have transformed expression of this basic how energy is really quite violent
it wants to possess or destroy sort of thing so are one way of handling psychic energy is give a direct expression and i can be very dangerous another is sublimated admit there's all sorts of variations of this compensations of kid was terrible
the school and then it goes out as a huge banana split doing the sort of these gives himself something positive to compensate for something dig it was all sorts of ways you can do with this you can deal with this but somehow you've got to deal with all this pressure building up here
and then usually the super ego is trying to keep down this is same kill kill kill and the superego a naughty naughty sort of the and your ego has to deal with these while a polls are quite different inside of him
now we often hear about this symptoms are nervous breakdown he's just gone psychotic what happens at that point according to this theory men at a certain point the eagle just can't take it can mediate all these forces just sort of collapses and the person might start screaming
in britain windows and then you've gotta put him in the strait jacket and you no longer himself was at that point this pressure it's built them too much and it just explodes and
remember rational being is out of control and is more responsible for what he does what has happened there now fluid can explain what has happened interesting and he will embarrass will take this over but basically his ego just no deal with it
then neurosis is a less serious situation in neurosis the ego can still cool but the people who can go has been seriously let's see or has been significantly wounded
something like this some explosion from the end or just sort of worn down by an excessively rigorous superego scene of so the ego is won't and it's not a whole helping
ego the can deal rationally with all these forces but sort of neurotic defense mechanisms
ah similar have a twit sure suddenly be afraid to go into a dark room or will always have to have a cat nearby can't see a capital all these strange things normally the person can cope can deal but there are certain areas with we just realized that is really quite strange that's a neurotic behave
xavier the wounded ego it is fully in control but still is in contact with reality in the total breakdown years there's no contact there's more person they are left in the psychological since
oh is this
what last a couple of us one mechanism with the ego just can't deal see a terrible experience cocaine repress
just push it down and out of consciousness immediately into that mysterious area of unconsciousness now when you were little children according to i think we're now whole psychology sick unfortunately did a lot of repression and lot of experiences which are just too heavy and so
you push it down the problem is you push it into his pressure cooker
he was talking to a woman two weeks ago and she got two years and years of of marriage and according to a very aggressive husband to this book that the meal is allows us or think she's okay fine and she talked for years and years
and you took it and had observed when she became it and underneath tremendous tension tremendous anger she just bottled up too much she never responded i think you'd be going to aggressive she never dealt but she just sort of has simply pushed it away in sort of thing sub
knitting well at a certain point she did have to come to terms with all of this was still enter and hadn't been dealt with perhaps it away this sort of thing so repression this is one make a simple it's very evil another and it's not good i calls psychologists are so the whole thing for
since the sexual dimension of a person how does a celebrate deal with this one way is to repress and i think all will see this eat good you've got to deal with it somehow other sublimation
put it in context see it will there's various ways of dealing with but the repressing way is blocked the best decorate the walls if it's too violent is to other say boys scr when
like book or movie how could anyone in but that with a very strong their strong kids if you have a strong some just eyes open
but i read seems like for you're not really is refreshing rely too much right right
whatever you do with the kennedy and chappaquiddick is like if i remember since there's a certain point we just blanked out dirt as know what he did and whether that's true or not it it's feasible psychologically at a certain point you just couldn't deal with this situation about grouped around with his responsibility etc so
that can happen and we took a great deal of repression we can't take a great deal and especially in our early years we separate all sorts of humiliations and because we just don't model when beards and things and doing things we shouldn't do up
so there's lot of repressed energy guinness
now the good news is we can then sublimate we can get this algae and creative ways the thing is to get it out something know where they really fulfills us and not just pretended he was sort of them
another mechanism is sprint or miss the transfer mechanism or the projecting mechanism we saw that at the moment of the interior isation does boys were projects himself into the father or sort of transfers the father and to himself sort of thing for it found through fair
when dealing with people at along point there's certain point that patient no longer on the consciousness level was thinking of him as sigma informed but maybe as the father
or maybe the mama but there was a strange transfer of the identity of someone in my early years under that person has happens in therapy it's essential for therapy according to this theory at a certain point my therapist becomes daddy or becomes my older brother or something
cat and so i have a very close friend sometimes i mean even slip and i might instead of calling him john my computer and or is the name of my older brother that can happen suddenly i'm aware to the sort of slipped
i transferred under him the identity of my father he's become a father figure for we are an older brother figure this comparing your skin or whatever domestic life the a abbott can be a father figure the master can be an older brother who is can be positive or negative it's good to know what's happening
rustic learn about he were very plugged into a cycle analysis etc and the oppa was a real father and that sort of guide him you will also psychoanalyze different concerts of things but it's a very easy and the pope comes out on a balcony and just
pregnancy well i think according to so christian but there is a father figure thing happening and there's nothing wrong with these it's good to know what's happening door
the i had told her powers gas over the muslims of iran sort of the how are you explain it
up so there is this mechanism so this is a journey of very quick journey into freud now what does all this have to do with religion
oh no we should keep take a break and then come back to that are going to discussion on this
what this principle

right now if you're doing something whatever be
the summer we just satisfying show and other yes others recognize it as socially useful then it's happened been automatically your sober me if you make a bowl or pot and you just feel good having made it when people say lovely lovely park then it's happening
ah if you do things like on shoplift
where you're you're you're doing something to get some of this energy and aggressivity out but he ain't socially acceptable and then society has to come here and say not united surfing so you have to find an outlet that your immediate society says yes to and here you get into the whole thing of of relatives
geez what society will say yes to a thing and another society will say no to anything certainly but if you in your immediate society are doing something that just makes you feel good you feel satisfied having done it and your society recognizes this as a service that can be preachy with us or
commitment to prayer in silence all this august is sublimation your has a great deal of this on this and also especially i said julie
well i think it's a very important thing for monks to know about not just repress and not just you know

yeah in our unconscious there's just this pressure this energy

how much
well it is kind of you might imagine in this kind of the of the electrical power of the consciousness then you have memories and and consciousness where instincts and and consciousness this is the basic current that moves at all
to do is i understand

as i understand that someone has a just a basic unhappy experience and he repressed represses in this augments the nervous angry tension inside of him now he doesn't have to directly sublimate that experience all he has to do is sublimated
nervous angry energy could solve been augmented by adding to it this hurt frustrating experience

i didn't want them think of oxford sentiment of people like beethoven for instance who had very unhappy lives and just keep producing sometimes angry music sometimes incredibly serene music etc
well it's interesting that artists are often rather unhappy people rather neurotic sort of the but they are there is he got to write the got to get it out and just sort of explodes as creativity and they feel much better after its out this there's this interesting thing
and sometimes exhaust
so this is the sort of the taste lot of
well are free of view yes you will
will dispute freud's thesis that of all of this psychic energy is sexual you'll say it's it's just energy and in cod can go the sexual direction and kengo the creative but it's kind of away
primordial a lot of the tall i think then you've got a romantic just as there's power due to these force in god so there's force in us and can take many directions but to give it creative expression i thinking you can come to terms with this in christian i advocate spiritual language
at first place
like that
the second
tomorrow came in your memory and you don't you know one of your considerable that i think what can you are already largely coming to terms with it just by be made would talk about about these least the people i've heard speaks a once you can say i'm
terribly angry or i'm terribly hurt or once put that i you're starting to deal with it
it's no longer just anger that it's like a huge wages but i am angry i am hurt this is the beginning of and then i can't deal with find you're already dealing with of biotechnology to be putting in parentheses while and then you realize you're wounded and you need so you'll give yourself
creative outlets i think or compensations i think this would be important
oh as such only has all sorts of tactics in his book you might go into your room and just pound on the bed this is very good for tear up for me
but consolidate you can that there is the therapy of the primal scream and all the cheerfully
prince it's males can ever week in our culture in italian culture if if the father weeps at the married shivered his daughter that's fine but that would be terrible for us so if you're going to repress centers and well they say it's better to week sort of thing gets better sometimes to yang
now here you get into the monastic ideal of a puppy etc hungary mindy's how to really live and mature of the of it isn't just on sorts of repression to the point that there's an explosion you can right in the opposite extreme
he said

you have very little control i think this is a basic problem with christians with the friday and theory of he does have a kind of basic optimism bring it into your conscious rational life you can deal with it but the whole tactic of thirty is to get into the unconsciousness disk
discover that that block that frustration of years and then when the person's able bring it out and deal with it and then the person
oh so and this is somewhat parallel with a kind of a thomas touch ah
concept of human person that is the reason that has to say yes or no one come to terms and that sort of think so but i think there is a very very diminished free will
and this is a problem and someone i s her journey as situated very much stress it's our responsibility than the power of the of human conscious will if i can just activated exercise of the whole of monastic asceticism for ah sexually is one example of activating my will if if it's done well
to the point that so as a jolly princess very much closer to us
his book sons psychosynthesis are sort of books on of us as cynicism and meditation basically it's simplicity is very close to the monastic and when we went to talk to him he said your your monastic life is already psychosynthesis sort of the when you have something like it a
balanced line of work and prayer when you're trying to be present to yourself a recollected to not just scattered hither and yon when you're trying to deal with your emotions and majesty victims of them aware of your own for joint all this is is very healthy therapy according to you and as you're aware of the deeper lever
rules in the morning intuition levels are directly contact with the divinity this is performance of psychological great for him as will see this isn't at all the case but throwing that would also joliet with and quite a convergence



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you have to say i am angry and then you have to say i am not my anger and then you have to ask who is this i hear and what level of profundity of mine it might be a rather superficial live in is angry there can be a deeper point in our spirit that is not angry
oh it's a i think these people like i would say it's sort of objective ontologically there's one level of you which is the more superficial ego
and there's a deeper level than some more profound
in perhaps more continually in contact with cancer of the
i think during my day we have all sorts of ups and downs and remove the it had been in it but we know that there's a basic commitment usually to christ whatever be the ups and downs there's a deeper level so the i am angry the that level of mean it's angry is really angry it's good to face up to that and not but it
also get realize that's not my ultimate i sort of the this is our sir julius stress making the mistakes with the agreement with this

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i might just a tie this into someone relations with the theme of garden with the chip and monastic now though we can think of in the interval and then for thirty take this up again and see his direct attack on media on religion and the response but
one question for it's what is revision of the you go a christian conscience
the superego office not embody and don't dirty in syria
now the christian conscience also says good and bad what is the relation of these two according to i think all that psychoanalytic theory when they do the superego can we sink if my father was not a terribly healthy ego balance i can get some strange things in mice super superego
and it might be extremely fierce super with doesn't permanent anything this wife was always the submissive and or it's bottled and in sort of thing or
now sometimes we just automatically identify the voice of conscience with the superego so this suggests an important distinction here
at when analysts told me that most therapy is deflating of over blown up sprinkles it's in know nobody your evil and a bad sort of thing just kidding the superego into a more manageable reasonable dimensions
a is the whole essence of a great deal of durham how does this mean reducing christian conscience or we get into that thing here are making a clear distinction maybe between superego which is an aeration unconscious level an authentic christian conscience which shouldn't a woman by christ and
and conscious and reasonable etc here you can go kabul script you asked which is perhaps the private ones has husband people who were sure that their moral centers me go and confess and second throughout of a confession they of of get didn't say that same or i didn't really get across to the pro
isn't the gravity your this sort of think so that's a help helpful thing another is again much of our whole religious or lack of religious
identity comes from our father according to this theory or from your mother
now this is interesting to reflect back upon what a what did i get from my father and way of religion it may be just be a point of departure to come to a different position all experience of conversion or whatever but it's interesting ah
of the members of know where the holy cross he studied psychotherapy he went through there you have to that is to analyse system and for him it was fascinating how his experience of his father had condition this understanding of god he said is one clear image of his father often you
no spitting just was sort of timid angry men will come on man for himself down and shared barricade himself behind the newspaper just sort of protection so don't bother me was the message he was getting across
and this father please recognize recognizes that this sub songs in each god will want for an angry god so don't bother me car
so what he had to do have worked with these categories was come try to come back into a mature three of interior revelation illumined concept of guy and he went through all the way we can be conditioned of our experience have gone through so often people say i don't believe in god anymore the key issues welcome
what image of god have they got
i wonder what people are currently doing up of sunday school work and they asked the children what
this guy that most of you
child maybe put up the him despite
so what's the next in after this guy wants most for new that chance that would be neat and tidy
so here's a concept of god who wants us to suffer and wants us to be neat and tidy or wherever this came from our it isn't the god of abraham isaac and jacob
so this suggests you see we could work through our image of god our experience of god our experience and christian conscience of right and wrong cetera up with more space so to speak is certainly so that's just so much mother church holy mother church
ah so you can get very nervous if you suggest that the to change and get off of as the lighting the nature of the protective certain maternal will certainly what is our image of the church shows are in each of our mother there's obviously some tie in there and is it of
fully it's beautiful to lower mother and is beautifully to love mother church but is there some kind of you kind of infant tile regression going on there these are seven missions we can ask questions and but positive can come out here
they help us be more fully serenely of maturity of people of faith and prayer etc
so you might try to imagine throwing starting here and remember that was always an increased it's not that have done dumb ass done psychoanalysis then it becomes a movies as an adolescent he was already been kissed and then working through this he works out of theory to defend his atheism if you are an atheist
and working with these categories how could you really blast religion surfing manchester or play with this is a kind of of exercise during a break in libya is for three will see his attack i know lose their faith that for the swedish and then we'll see have some answers and
and then we'll go into people who start out basically from this commitment in this and like young as i say in arrival quite different positions on religion and prayer this
as i remember know
right marx was from and this is both cases are extremely interesting and we'll see this is important preferred he's very interested in moses for instance one of his key later works as moses and monotheism but he keeps coming back to his jewish heritage into these two
figures in his own unconsciousness and trying to deal with them in terms of is atheist commitment some in coon hounds school just wrote a book on freud and of religion some see in and also our plight of the dominican who wrote a book we have
this library here pictured white
god and the of conscious and encounter between psychology and religion he feels that there was a kind of his yearning for faith in floyd in this is very modest things about his theory that sarnia theory and the believer can use all of this on the other side so forth so but there is this some some
many background springs