May 1980 talk, Serial No. 00831

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yesterday we saw something about young his model of the psyche all the things he adds to floyds remember the persona be dating with the outside world number the shadow that strange of kind of counter
eco and of the arima and then the decisive new theory the collective unconsciousness and the arc types and are types such as a the wise old man and the young hero and the cosmic mother and how closely the
this relate him to key christian symbols we see remember freud's theory of the growth of the person you go through stages first there's that's pure the beto stage of the little child then there's that the ego stage of the little tiny kid and then finally there's the
full rounded out person as a the child gets through the oedipus crisis and comes up also with materialization of values and conscience it's to in superego you also has an interesting theory of the development of the psyche also related to his categories he said
stage when the little child is almost pure passivity
pure receptivity that's kind of the of like the ocean sort of thing then goes into a patriarchal stage to something like freud's are either this crisis and the ego a strong ego in terms of what it ought and ought not to do the of self affirming
mission self discipline the tough kid sort of thing that's kid who could stand on his own two feet then hopefully ideally we get into an integrated things beyond this which is the adult sort of wise person who can come to terms with the on
no inside of good deep down into the depths of the collective unconsciousness get back into contact with those of our types of a source of strength and cetera so it's an interesting way of seeing how the up canon should grow very
in months of what he has to say them about religion
it's a very very positive approach and his main thing is that
he's making is that up
sidekick sickness is equivalent to religious in maturity and getting your your religious faith and
life together is equivalent to psychic help so he's a very strong position about the dialogue between the theologian for instance and the analytic psychologist
in this introductory essay he writes to father whites book as we said one of his last essays for instance
young starts out saying long years of experience of again and again taught me that a therapy along purely biological lines does not suffice but requires a spiritual completion
so here we're quite up amazing language after a after freud
and then he was later to say during the past thirty years people from all the civilized countries of the earth have consulted me is very strong hands of universal approach this and strengthens our insight into these basic and archetypes cetera so the
whole universal world of concern among my patients in the second half of life that is to say over thirty five there has not been one who's problem in the last resort was not that are finding a religious outlook on buys in problem of psychic help meant not being able to find a religious out
uganda it is easy to say that every one of them fell ill because he had lost that which the living religions of every age of given to their followers and none of them has been really healed who did not regain this religious outlook so part of the healing function of your pro
as eisley as an analytic psychologist is to help people get her a religious outlook so this is sept i think quite amazing and
it should challenge us then he develops a whole technical theory of the precise relationship then of the psychologist and the theologian
what is the relation of is nice to now we might think of a possible relation on our non relation in theological categories or philosophical he obviously wants very rigorously to start from the point of view of the psychologist that is the met the man primarily concerned with a psychic healing
in of the patient from that precise point of view what is the relationship between of psychology and the theologian
he says the psychologists cannot prescribe press patient just any religious outlook assuming it to be a living system but by dint of careful and persevering investigation he must endeavour to discover where the sick person feels a healing living quality
which can make him whole
so somewhere in that person is depths they'll be an area that is a more healing force and of the psychology was very delicately try to open that up not impose our priori the psychologists call doctrine
he cannot be concerned at first as to whether this so called truth bearers the official stamp of validity if however the patient is thus able to rediscover himself and get on his feet again then the question of consciously reconciling his individual realization with the collectively valid opinions and conviction
guns becomes a matter of vital importance the first step is simply to heal this person through his own inner spiritual resources when he is on his feet again then the issue comes what is the issue between what he believes and sort of social beliefs of the world in which he lives
that that which is only individual isolates the sick person will never be healed by becoming a mere individualists he would still be neurotic unrelated and a strange from his social groups
so i was talking to a friend the other day he had done first been an agnostic when i have known him in high school and he went to a very difficult period he became a true then it went through an even more difficult period with through two divorces and things are when i knew it he was in trouble
but he was getting
a healing strength out of his judaism and i was trying to help him said it was not it seems to be at that point wise for me to try to convert him from judaism to catholicism or anything on sort because at that point the only thing he had to hold onto was the healing strength of his judaism
ah and so i think that is what you're saying there's a kind of a physiological parallel and something that see thomas aquinas says he says if you come up to a man who's starving to death
first you feed him then you announce the gospel between you don't first announced the gospel and then feed him here is a priority
do the simple saving the life there
so i think of this is what he's saying what supports a man is a movie or a woman or something if that is a healing strength and him in the first moment help him to that but then in a second moment then he has to reconcile these some we thing with just as rediscovered ca
common sense or something then he says is the point for the recourse to the theologian that is the person who can work through belief systems and help the person find a police system that simply helps him live in a fool
healthy way in the modern world although i am able to testify to the reality of the psychological facts it is quite beyond my power said young you to promote the necessary processes of assimilation which come to terms with the collective representations of modern society
this calls for the cooperation of many and above all of those were the exponents of the general tools namely the theologians
apart from doctors they are the only people who are professionally concerned with the human soul your uses a surprising language or rediscovery of the soul and says the doctor and the psychologists as such interesting so we know that there's the soul this area of arc types and spiritual needs
not the doctors concerned the therapists and the only other person
concerned as such is the theologian so we've got to open this dialogue so the theologian helps the patient in the second step so that he can
get together his own individual view with with a view that can be lived in the modern society the way you expresses i think it can sound of objectionable as those that the ocean is just necessarily plugged into some sort of official religiosity and he draws the a person from his individual
theology into this kind of official religion so that the person can be fully integrated while the christian can't buy that because one can imagine one hundred knowing the muslim culture around
utah it would have to be the young mormon culture it can't just be the criteria it seems to me of physiology that establishes what will be a healing faithfully but still it's an end of it's an interesting perspective it sees me of two steps the first step is belongs to the therapist to heh
help the person discover his own healing religious beliefs and then the second moment is to see the relation between those healing beliefs and d true for him and that would be the function of the theologian so slightly read formulated it seems to me it is a
possible relationship
come thoughts what do you think of this two step approach the first being of the psychologist the second and tracks theologian or indeed monk in he's using theologian in that all time since of someone who's
so fully living
the mystery that he can communicate it in a saving and healing way to the other
are you are an accord wickets
he you doing
no no no

no pressure
he's always afraid of the accusation of behaving like a theologian or a philosopher especially this their said he wants to insist i am a scientist my thing is to heal people
and that's it and says i'm very because he's accused by the for you so just been off and some sort of weird of 'em speculative trip that can submit a physical and gets set theological so there's no i'm a scientist and i want to hear people so i think he can't raise questions of ultimate truth or all he can do with talking
terms of immediate healing and then final fuller healing saudis mining
and it's an interesting criterion huh i wonder what we see to it
the criterion for discernment of a single ignatius of loyola or up a commission if i remember rightly but instead which of gives a personal a profound and tranquility and a false sense of you can go on spiritually and then from that he may grow and grow and modify that and perfected but
i'm not a kind of superficial ease with oneself and with others but if it gives a deeper healing piece i think we would want to see also there must be some truth in this thing
prices will be
right princess in the case of my friend he wasn't any longer in the jewish community it's just a memory of some years ago so what he's holding onto socially it's just memories
now i as a good a catholic
when they call try to win converts and proselytizer i could have come out with all my search isms against judaism to dress for think that would have been very helpful at that point because i could have will got him more against judaism but i am not sure you would have had the strength at that point to to undertake a spiritual journey to go towards
included precisely preciso precisely
so anyway that's his proposal then he sort of angry at christians from getting so much attention to freud are you know he came a long a sort of as after floyd and there was freud in the first christian reaction of anger and hostility to and as often happens a second
moment of reaction said where there might be something of value here and then the beginning of the dialog christians with floyd and at that point young comes along and says hey why are you so a friendly with a freud
he says the fact that many clergyman seek support or practical help from freud's theory of sexuality or adverse theory of power is astonishing and as much as both these theories are hostile to spiritual values being as i have said psychology without the psyche
of the are rational methods of treatment which actually hinder the realization of meaningful experience by far the larger number of psycho therapists or disciple to freud or advert
this means that the greater number of patients are necessarily alienated from a spiritual standpoint a fact which cannot be a matter of indifference to one who has a realization of spiritual values much at heart so this is very interesting you say out we've gotta get our
forces together i as a union am interested in in spiritual in the soul in this dimension and you are too so let's unite our forces of
so it's an interesting
then another point is stresses as urgency of the cooperation i with them
up with the alone should so that briefly is your what what what kind of response than with i think yesterday we mentioned at the ambiguous here at nature of you he seems extremely friendly and extremely of an
ally he wants to be sincerely wants to be a close friend but a alone of the religious person the person dedicated to prayer et cetera and after the kind of the fiercely cold shower of a freud this is very
enticing there is this problem some say that again yoga is much more dangerous to an authentic faith and for it because young represents a very dangerous gnostic reductionism
of the faith to beard
an intimate you need a psychic exigencies god becomes just myself my ultimate self and the virgin mary becomes just some sort of spiritual instinct for a cosmic mother christ simply becomes a spiritual instinct for us a cosmic here
oh in this sort of thing the eucharist to some sort of individuation process that so it's just good therapy and nothing else this sort of danger
and that inevitably than when is sucked away from an objective authentic true god that can
speak to us challenges etc or this is a negative reading then as i said many theologians are getting a positive reading young himself insists on that corresponding to these subjective exigencies is that the truth it is up in his mm
more to autobiographical moments or the final judgments of this dominican father quite victor white you have this book also in your library of garden the unconscious written in fifty three but still quite a good book and he taught at oxford and wrote for black president
he still writing
oh well

well who said this
no relevant ha
is still christian nor the
no that's interesting
because her
he does dress this possibility of a positive challenge from you are challenged to young isn't you represent just to kind of reductionism and and the kind of us pagan syncretism central he says young's
challenge to us as we tend to put god way out there and so objective and so other it has nothing to do really with are living experience
it would seem to be certain that any deep and successful analysis involves a response to the leadership
i should go back he's talking about all sorts of positive things in your one is he thinks that also a dimension of grace
for young the person able to undertake this interior journey to the extent that he's illumined from within or above beyond his own capacities
ah even more striking still than a static symbols is the manner of the integrating or redemptive process itself as it is observed to take place in the analysis conducted along union lines so remarkable indeed and so inexplicable on a purely make mechanistic hypothesis like floyd
everything is just drives instincts and blocks you have to unblock center it's like dealing with a motor that you so far departs from freud's assumptions as to call in question the competence of the casualty principle to express many phenomena of a psychic of the psychology of the and
freud says
the biology and physics you could cause as you've got effects well it's the same thing in the sake you've got some problem there's a cause to it you get to that cause you modified you'll have another effect it's quite a mechanistic in that sense uk's is no we're just often confronted by shoe mystery things happen amid we just
just cannot count for them not because we haven't yet gotten to the bottom of the thing in a kind of a possibility degree simply because its mystery it's bottomless sort of
it would seem to be certain that any deep and successful analysis involves a response to the leadership of stewards word is young's of manifestations of the unconscious which are closely parallel to even if not sometimes actually a vehicle of redemptive function of faith and grace as
known to christian experience and studied in christian theology and certain point prisoners lead sort of like us dante being led by beatrice suits and simpler christian grace so the soul journey inward towards psychic healing is at a certain point simply lead and so also theory
pissed inspired if you like so all of this ah he says it is very powerful up then he talks earlier about the more static categories the way is now open with you to ask for instance no longer to conceive of god as a substitute for the physical father who saw this before the basic f
formation of freud upon which also is later analysis breasts is that god is simply a father projection he thinks those turn to censor the whole thing
choices of to conceive of god as a substitute for the physical father no longer but rather the physical father as the infants first substitute for god the genetically prior bearing the image of the all father capital f again
archetype of father
has the really theological priority so to speak even if the kid first comes to terms with my daddy out there god is less a big father than the physical father is a little god clearly we are not far from st paul's father from whom all fatherhood in heaven and earth is mean
so no longer to stop mechanistic projection out there a neurotic projection but rather have my father image but rather my father who is a participation in the full fatherhood of the father archetype that is a reflection of god
soak up
here we've got a kind of antique priority to the religious which is very interested not that just finally you get to the religious or that completes all the rest is gone to prison but the religious precedes in a sort of the ground of everything else that comes along psychic and human central
and then his challenge thus to the religious person uses all this is a challenge to the freud in into the eighty history center since it's a challenge answer to us yolks work is hardly less disturbing to the professed theist and religious believer even to to a zealot for his creed or for his church perhaps even these have long ago ceased
to think of god and good and evil spirits as ever active influences in their own life and conduct almost unwittingly they may have so objectified them so relegated them to the supernatural combined them to sunday's that it has never occurred to them that their ceaseless activity
is could and should become empirically observable in a challenge to searching self examination
he goes on in another young or
freud who never took religion very seriously anyhow and whose psychoanalysis can be labeled as science and quotes and outside the concern of ultimate precision values human cysts that such a dichotomy is impossible
science here and keeling man here and weird religious ideas there
that consciously or unconsciously religion affects everything in our lives whether we belong to any dominate denomination or none he challenges us to become more conscious more responsible more adult in our religion or irreligion if we would not destroy ourselves in our film
seems so you pays your money to take your choice as i say you i think it's yeah sort of divided the christian and she wished believing community those were very much for him is appointed dialogue those who works for him essa
as having certain categories that help but not wanting to make use him primarily as a point of reference of interpretation and then those who are absolutely strongly against him as a threat as
a pekinese him
pantheistic for tell

and then
and yet it seems
just me

the i think he would say

yeah i think he says that as long as he starts will
his own
he hopes are rigorously scientific categories that include therefore he believes the collective unconsciousness etc then he must go on from where they lead and they lead to a vindication of categories like soul and spiritual
man is not simply series of biological needs and cannot live by bread alone human get late but there must be all this so i think he would say he's not at that point being a metaphysics she or a theologian in the sense of starting from
faith and religion he starting from science and thus he feels precisely as a scientist he must talk about the spiritual you must talk about the sole about religion as necessary components to psychic health
but he wants to defend himself from the proteins and you should be using this language of you were really scientific you not to be and then he was a dialogue with a theologian sing i'm not pretending to be a theologian because i don't begin from dogma or faith i begin from scientific verification of certain phenomenon and
they lead me directly to an area this extremely parallel to where your at
so i think he can defend himself

two other sneaky convenience of and perkins i think that's the way to the key is where you start from
and he's very strong i should have read some the other passages in this introductory essay where he insists that he is not a philosopher not
a theologian
but a scientist
that that is the introduction to whites book
yeah and this was one of his later very last essays written in fifty something written fifty two and he died in one fifty eight or something
he died and sixty one so nine years before his death

so india has to defend himself from two sides from the friday and who accuse him of not being scientific and from a many christians and jews etc but accuse him of not being orthodox hurting and she's got quite a battle going but i
is interesting is a kind of a bridge between two worlds

ah now we can go into another if there's not other comments or questions or so jolie was very much in the line of young and i think a little more benign and a little more i still work closer to us in some ways and
good he he represents where you can get to if you go through this kind of asceticism of of coming to terms with contemporary challenges and schools and on disciplines etc
ah the ah such joy you have to of his books in the library one is psychosynthesis are biting compass it's also now published by
a penguin
then the other is the act of will also viking which is now also just published by penguin
that his basic text he has written thousands of volumes like for you but that this sort of says it also says it for the layman does want be extremely technical stuff he's not a psychologist psychologist he's trying to write books that any intelligent person can take up and find great help him
so this is for all of us
it was published by viking and seventy one for the first time and went through eight additions by seventy six by is extremely popular and out penguin as i say is to stop listed i think it's very interesting book
i and i also the thing about the will and interested the book on the wheel is very interesting
i know this x monk at berkeley who is now a practicing practicing psychologists there he was among could not saviors he was the founder of that journal monastic studies brendan columns and he knows the whole area of monasticism primitive benedict and
islam into it of father's he thinks and he still very committed to alison he thinks that are a jolly is extremely helpful to
two people and and especially christians and catholics etc were interested in the interior life imperative
so everyone has to come up with his model of the psyche
and at this is his you can look at it first of all have a very briefly is like he was born in venice and eighteen eighty eight
studied under freud he knew young or in nineteen ten he started to formulate his own tenants of what he calls psychosynthesis his school remember this is about the same time that yomi starting to break in a decisive way from freud so you and as a jolly are almost at contemporaries
his contemporaries are you born just three either
thirteen years before as such only and died a few years point
we visited us surgery again in the leno's delightful he had a house close to command me he was very serene old man remember saying frayed was a genius to the problem is he just took us down into the sellers and down into the sewer system sort of thing and that's good but that's just what so i want to take p
people up to the the higher floors of the edifice for which you can see this magnificent horizon and he had this country house which beautiful beautiful view and he had these little cards he's very much for meditating on images and symbols and things and yet beautiful little cards i
saw mountains and things ah
he has a whole thing on how his school differs from the others and it's interesting because you've gotta be different to justify your existence
the most distinctive point perhaps is the emphasis put upon and the central place given in psychosynthesis to the will as an essential function of a self and as the necessary source or origin of all choices decisions engagements there's a lot of optimism in i said julie after
friday and pessimism and sort of a mechanistic approach that you're just a kind of a result of of a influences and your earliest arrhenius months years and there ain't much you can do about it probably maybe it an expert on block certain of these passages but
that said but as surgery his a kind of appalachian i think you'd have to say but man as a strong power in him it's the will if you can simply plug into it the free will he can do all sorts of things for himself no matter how bad his childhood been etc then the second point he
fuse and we can come to an immediate experience of kind of these self of pure self-awareness independent of contents of moods and feelings and desires it is pure sort of transcendental so we can have that experience and that freezes
from subjection to this rest today i'm really no and that doesn't matter if i've had this deep intuition have higher levels of my be i got so under the dominion of that mood or that desire i really like a new card will i know that there's a higher dimension of needed this immediate design the
sort of thing so he wants to nourish in people this deeper experience of their high herself
ah sister david
damn she's very strong was what is the real self in myself remember that fingers there's a sort of superficial ego that centered on things since itself the center of universe wants things etc now that's a superficial self it gets not sorts of problems but there's a higher self
and then she has also to cooks from merton that be criticism is higher self that is a which more transcendental and liberated can be the brave for monitors so awesome sexually wants to take us up to that level and then a spiritual things can start happening he very much use as law
language like comes to the spiritual in the sole center
another difference is a recognition of the positive creative joyous experiences which man-made and often does have along with a painful and tragic ones there's a gloomy site to freud there's a famous photo of him in his last years and is really looks
and that you also is not that cheery and sense of is strange mystery and a business etc
for us a jolly the ultimate point of the human experience is joy and fulfillment and communion and he yet experience of loneliness is not considered in psychosynthesis either ultimate or essential it is a stage a temporary subjective condition it can it does alternate with and finally can be
substitute by genuine living experience of interpersonal entered individual communications relationships interplay
so it's more an uplifting and then another differences are deliberate use of large number of active techniques for transformation sublimation of psychological in of energy's strengthening said fuck a capacities it's a he has a whole a a asked
medical program up for sort of building up my virtues so to speak and diminishing or my vices it's not unlike the kitchens institute cindy certainly it's a first
programme of self discipline to be able to open myself to in a certain sense to pure grace of the transcendent
so here's his model of psyche can you see it is to faint i producing it precisely as he does which is what little lines broken lines like that
this is what broken lines because we don't have any hard and fast boundaries really more psyche and he stresses this is just a poor model limping etc it can't be a matching to build what we would all scale model of kind of a one for one representation and a small if you carve a personal
you don't find this inside that a little anything on this is just a kind of a tool that's trying to give us an insight into different dimensions like second so three levels of unconsciousness personal consciousness
got a lower middle and higher the lower our kind of the freud the an individual consciousness drives instincts repress things
that whole business
fundamental drives and primitive urges dreams and imaginations uncontrolled paris psychological processes pathological fish there's the violence that's a shadow of young
then there's pretty potent middle unconsciousness which is typical of merging with much for it's really a pre consciousness it's quite according sort of to the logic and structure of the consciousness things do make sense etc but they're just not in my consciousness now
and c area where i sort of of more through things and cannot solutions for them pop into my consciousness
i was wasn't holy family college speaking the blackboard was here and the microphone was there and touch of mother superior sit under the package we sort of shouted them my different places and then somebody's idea came to we could shift the microphone from here to there that came a backbench so that's the kind of thing
that goes on in this middle of consciousness it's kind of ach she wasn't logically thinking how quick it can be solve it for her there was no way to solve it except the right here to shopping but then suddenly it came out with his solution that hadn't occurred to me so he shifted over there
ah that's the middle of consciousness then we get the higher consciousness and in the higher consciousness we have our higher intuitions and inspirations artistic philosophical ethical imperatives humanitarian it's a very upbeat on the the be
now that's a pure there is no there is the sewer and that's what for he discovered
but there is also gives then there's the collective unconsciousness which he puts all around this individual
a curious pure you and he very often consume and then he stresses very much that am
will not an absent closed off human beings are not isolated they are not monads without windows but we're kind of in is common see have a basic human religious experience it could have an affair
i'm the persevere
do you have to picture them has been able to communicate israel beacon communications and so you have to get any kind of different dimension for that but up all in this kind of basic matrix of the collective consciousness then there's the area and unconsciousness immediate awareness of issue new people would i
i'm doing who i am and immediately
self consciousness this is the lower upset that indeed is struck by moods and desires and hurt and pride and sort of thing
so that's the of
conscious self or i
then he starts reflecting on this i think it a very philosophical way again he says isn't a curious we don't think about it much but we gonna be are we go to sleep and were no longer conscious we deserve turn off that night but where does it go was curious thing is we get up in the morning and take right up as if that can
yourself row is there are personal the operating table and given instead it disappears the conscious i the and comes back and just takes up to him now where is the point of continuity that guarantees that it can take up why is that just
definitively bars for is the ground there of that i and so he posits for that reason for all sorts of other and suspicion of mystical literature to transcendental i the higher self
it's not in the area of consciousness mistakes sometimes have intuitions that of his higher i but it's this higher i'd versus sustains strengthens our this immediate self
now i people interested in prayer it's driving is extremely interesting and of all those texts said sister been from up from her to and from be to for them many many areas of late medieval and medieval spirituality but the apex of the spirit
shit or the deepest center
our deepest point different models but have a higher point of more intuitive consciousness that you're aware of and sometimes you're not aware of and sometimes as center is praying even when you're not aware of it remember the father says the highest purpose from united conscious of it for that
when you get into a state finding a continuous prayer and there's a level he knew that is praying even when another that was distracted etc
well that kind of model of us actually i think you can relate to the a the contemplative experience and is very interesting enter and suggested so and then he explains each one of these dimensions in very straightforward and he has very lucid of style
or princess the higher self he refers to get into that for instance under heels mysticism or he refers to your we here etc he refers to technique several hot yoga etc he also has interests in every area of religion i think rather with more on
the services respect and touch for their own autonomy that you're young can just absorb these things into his own system
when we went to talk to us actually it was because a disciple it's is an unmarried woman was very zealous and come to come out and gotten us to do all sorts of us a jolly exercises and they were fun and they bring you back to a certain interior
but she kept insisting that this is the way and she kept having rather
hesitations about all the time we were getting to other things etc and so at a certain point there was a kind of attention between all this method she had and are normal monastic life of a were can dealing with guess cinder divine office etc so we went with eye to eye surgery
he said no he was horrified by her to kind of but proselytizing he said know what you're doing is already in up psychosynthesis
at the rhythm the monastic rhythm of work and duck like seal and prayer center is already so you do what you're doing and forget about her sentence she was a widow and she just sort of married psychosynthesis searches and but it was very interesting this kind of
i'm odd on respect of the autonomy of a whole monastic religious experience
are you were mentioning have a better the trappist teens who use young to interpret scripture is of i don't think i saw jolly would want to be used to interpret scriptures he would just want to be used to help people to open up to scriptures says it work
so those are the various parts of his
i'm not good for them the
both truths beauties insights that i the higher or the lore can latch onto
i think it's it's the field in which it operates sort of like that conscious self is in this field of ideas person's mood i can ask conscious center of them relate to this and concentrate on this book very much relate on a dialogue
so the higher self can relate to this areas
musical harmonies may be or that area philosophical truths or that area of beauty their areas of values
but that is this subjective personal centers understand that the appropriates assimilates and firms
he said
so and so i didn't get the first one is this witness oh yes yes

that is part of but it's sort of swimming in the larger area of the collective unconsciousness that is to set my princess conscious high is not the collective consciousness but it's sort of on the ground of and it can make to it's interesting that we put
it's a higher self on the border between the personal higher consciousness and the whole area the higher self is obviously be direct contact
with the collective consciousness
you know in weight but more immediate is not
but i think it would certain distinguish any one of these elements from the collective consciousness but a sort of this is kind of a cell swimming in the ocean with the collective unconsciousness tourism
oh do
i think you would too

yeah my right

yes that is the whole and that what is what psychosynthesis wants to go to realize we will get to this he says there's two basic types of persons one is very our oriented and that person will posit for himself a ideals
self in an ideal set of goals out there
and that person maybe not that much in contact with is higher so even if he's very dynamic and got his act together etc
any sisters or a more intuitive interpretive contemplative type
worrying in contact with the higher self and who can throw a series of aesthetical practices on block the obstacles that are that are blocking a more direct inspiration and then he will be that the men efficient the men contemplative experience now
so actually wants to have offered these types he says you can't proposed just the one are just the other
and i think this is interesting
the president gives himself totally to the movement of go
the poor or rush
battered children or ecology or something
that's it and eight hours a days down there for center and stuffing envelopes etc that's fine since this is kind of getting beyond a little sick egocentric existence it's a very creative very
positive contribution to society that's great it's not as high as the other purchases is a
the ideal models are images that one can create or many but they can be divided into principal groups now he says the or interpret can also predicts set a ideal for himself not have the kind of social activists to simplify but of the
the of
harmonious spiritual person
so the one idea that the
the first is formed of images representing harmonious development and all round personal or spiritual perfection
this kind of idealism that cheaply by introverts the second group represents specialized efficiency purpose here is the utmost development of an ability for quality corresponding to a particular line of self expression and the social role or roles which the individual choice this is the idea of artists the teach you the advice
kit and good cause et cetera such models are generally prefer by extroverts
then you go on halsted to say some people don't even put out so much idea which is open up in spite of them but anyway the person who's related to the cause outside he says they can make a positive contribution
differently that his
so you've got to basic terms
so we starting everyone should go the inner route
ah recent rebounder and symphony in a sacrifice synthesis wants to help both and if he would say a good with you there's a little extrovert and a little introverted in all of us
and you don't want to eliminate the other pole totally so you want both and psychosynthesis wants to help both journeys as it were
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the wheel is a tremendous spiritual force and you want to plug into it and it's ultimate fund would be the higher
the future
who'd want a lot

he uses an image of the dialogue i think he doesn't want to clear from but he uses that
right you and he uses yes very simple little exercise this sitter or kind of out a visible sign of unity are so he has the dialogue with the wise old man and he parallel says where the imitation of christ where the campuses dialoguing with christ within you this is we must
do this we were doing there is opening up our dialogue with the higher self
which will inspire us and kindness
so ah this is the bottle now the problem is that we're usually and the goal is psychosynthesis that is as with you getting all these common components in a harmonious are so
structured hierarchical order so that the lower and consciousness doesn't dominate the higher and consciousness and so that they are conscious self is not just the victim of moods and feelings etc and is aware of its potentialities it's force
and especially its higher ourselves and can make a possessive so the gomez dupes realize synthesis of the psyche and hard you do this he's got all sorts of tools here one is a thorough knowledge of the personnel the these various dimensions this is already an important
step forward in psychosynthesis just to be aware that there are these dimensions if there are these
components then control of its various elements and here he proposes this kind of an aesthetic gymnastic of disassociation
he offers this law we are dominated by everything with which are self becomes identify
we can dominate and control everything from which we this identify ourselves
so he has offended my family honor and it's my family on so i cannot ignore that i gotta stand up for my family honor it set sort of thing she took my money
so when i mean that bag and i'm identified with all sorts of things i'm constantly and anguish because i'm constantly having to hold onto all these fragile worldly frontiers that are constantly being attacked by others by the force of nature or whatever so it's a kind of a buddhist analysis in us
at that level i'm destined to pure suffering to the extended i can diss identify from these also through
this experience of pure subjectivity the higher self when i can say yes there is a feeling of suffering within me but i am not that feeling of suffering there's a higher point to be
are there is a bit of honor that i identify with the family honor that has been ah
offended but i my highest die the image of god in me sort of speak to use our language is not simply that of mundane
family honor so i get beyond it and outside of it in more traditional christian acidic language detachment and detached from the world from honors from money from things for poets and at that point i'm free the detachment across etc so he proposes a whole series of a
exercises for
this identification which is a kind of a psychological language for detachment i think
then this realization of the true self this is the positive side of this
and here he proposes to approaches one is that of strengthening an ideal model what do i want to be able to contribute in this life
and this is be very careful here that's not that heavy of idealistic model the tub can sort of crusher person of horny
i want to be the perfect students i mean i can never beat up to that model the perfect monk who never has a feeling of ensured to it's another
a set that model for me it's always act kind of the law in some polls since it always judges me condemns me and i always have to convince myself that i am getting closer it's had recited in this kind of a cool think it's not that it's just a a serene sane setting over
of an ideal for
and in terms of that i can grow and again if i'm in inner directed that goal can be have to be much more personal prayer or recollected of detached and cetera and outer directly to be so can much more effectively contribute to the ecological movement are much more if
effectively help the sick or the death or whatever it be so that's a
the realization of them a true realization in the cycle synthesis wants to see
help us realize that ideal or open up more immediately to that inner inspiration
he describes two basic categories of people some people have a distinct vision of their aim from the outset they are capable of forming a clear picture of themselves as they can and intend to become this picture should be realistic and authentic etc but they've got this picture up there of where they want to go
other individuals have a more plastic psychological constitution who live spontaneously following indications and intuitions rather than definite plans find it difficult to formulate such a program to build according to a pattern they may even positively dislike such a method their tendency is to let themselves be led
is within or by the will of god leaving him to choose what they should become they feel that they can best reach the goal by eliminating as much as possible the obstacles and resistances inherent to their personality by widening the channel of communication the higher self to aspirate
passion and devotion and then letting the creative power the spirit capital act trusting and obeying so that's that businesses
i think the category of people who set a goal up there and try to fulfill it when people just
i'll go inward and try to open up his channel of communication with the higher self it's inspired by the spirit and he's extremely tolerant man he never once he says we've got to take his two different types and respect each one of them and have one approach for the one and another approach together and realize
that each has a very significant contribution to make
indeed he says and both of these
have their advantages of both had there are dangers so maybe we should do either an exclusively
those who take the first method of projecting an ideal and then
trying to go towards it number kitchen when we afterwards or gold purity of heart
kosovo first method should be careful to avoid making their ideal picture too rigid they should be ready to modify or enlarge it and even to change it all together as later experiences fresh outlooks and center indicated demand change so dangerous you get a law out there you get a an opera
esses are ideal ideology that see
on the other hand those who follow the second method just dumps i'm not going to sit on pattern they're going to open myself to spirit who will guide me
should guard against becoming too passive and negative accepting his intuitions and higher inspirations certain problems which are in reality determined by unconscious forces wish wishes and desires person since inspired to come here and he's inspired to manifest that he
as a vocation to recruit and cetera you can be careful because that might be inspiration that it might be come from other areas city of unconsciousness moreover they must develop the ability to stand ready during the inevitable phases and inner aridity and darkness with conscious communion with a spiritual center captaincy
is interrupted and the personality feels himself abandoned
but he has interesting articles on i'm spiritual aridity in the dark knight and all this omega very good sense to him so he can be a kind of a point of solidity to have an objective point of reference and not just depend upon a subjective so this is kind of typical of the spear
britt of us actually we haven't gotten all the way through him but
he has up
how to on blocked the energy sources in us and there
refers to methods such as christian mysticism and then development of new aspects of personality spiritual psychosynthesis as a whole section on meditation or he has a whole chapter on transmutation and sublimation of the sexual energies which can be a useful liking for
for celebrities is very respective specie he was his pixels of us celebrate vocation and he he wants us to supplement these energies he's very struck he's with your that the libido isn't necessarily sexual but there is obviously so
strong sexual energy as would've been to just abandoned to it but a sublimated in higher ways it's very strong creative work i'm spiritual meditation meditation of spiritual figures such as christ and cetera
so this room and then spiritual dialogue with the inner master it again here he quotes of the imitation of christ and cetera
so there's all sorts of things here that i think the a kind of ios setting the person into the institute suffocation or could use and utilize it's a very contemporary language and ah
psychological insight into how to get further control over and sort of guide and direct
some of our energies in order that they can arrive at the higher energy which is for you got up
he concludes with viereck always it's a kind of a strange mixture will try to get synthesised with ourselves while these components inside herself the microcosm will try to also achieve harmony and synthesis with every other person and with the whole of creation psychosynthesis maybe also considered as
the individual expression of a wider principle of a general law of inter individual cosmic synthesis d the isolated individual does not exist every person has intimate relationships with other individuals which make them all interdependent were over each and all are included in part of the spear
virtual super individual reality capital are we seem to sense it whether we conceive it as a divine being capital beavers a cosmic energy the spirit capital and it's working upon and within all creation is shaping it into order harmony and beauty uniting all beings
some willing but the majority as yet blind rebellious with each other to links of low achieving slowly and silently but powerfully irresistibly the supreme synthesis capital s so he gets some sort of mystical at the end and death
how again it's not explicitly christian doesn't wanna be explicitly christian but it's certainly explicitly and contemplative and mystical and up i can pass it in the senses and paul green screen person
so comments

or is it just it
no within there's no possible doubt i think
again he's very interested in all the religions of i think he considering continuance of catholic certainly the widest sense but he was a catholic christian
and there is certainly this transcendent spirit and love and cetera
it worked through all this
now his language is a little luck ambiguous about the relations i think that this higher self and christ god but he simply doesn't want to do theology he wants to again it's that whole things

said goodbye
i think what he would say it's i think it's semi pelagian in the sense sensitive he puts great string it puts greater boston would you do in your will and you
but if you do it what you're doing is i'm blocking these channels of grace and then a spirit comes in and inspiration
he doesn't as accustomed would want him to do stress that we can't even do any of this with our holy spirit i think he gets a kind of a location that we do our part of in god will certainly to his and our parties and blocking ricardo purifying inspired replaced

don't see it says
and we're wasting of wow
he said
doing that
as is
our possesses

i think it's great to i didn't think of this before but i think he's so reacting against floyd that he's stressing the upper stories by think he could be seated of he's very aware of this dynamic energy sexual energy are he does want a sublimated
but i think he'd say this is kind of the power house itself all this energy
few true psychosynthesis whatever form it take to ah
given the energy for our creativity and inner creativity but it's a nice that but he started he spends much less time madness or indeed there's almost nothing in a accepting the terms of that's interesting
we actually been screwed
for for is he sits all this

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no there is another christian tradition may have
clement of alexandria for instance where you you go up from the merely bodily level when you get into a up a day and detachment from all created things i think someone like climate is so close to us such only that you can almost stuff but climate one should absolutely detached from your body and from all merely physical dimension
it's and arise to the level of new cylinder
i think there's a healthier in the fathers of the desert a kind of us semitic earthiness that wants to wrestle with the
but there is also the it's kind of a greek antiquities close to be essential
oh no
yeah he's never against repression of some freshman sublimation
i'm not sure of the precise technical distinction between sublimation and transmutation that it would be hearing you could look it up his basic theme is it's like up
water you can convert into energy you can convert it to
he shifted into another area surfing
when it's precise distinctions transmutation horizontal sexual prize vertical
the comments if someone comes up you know it's sort of sneers at asceticism would were you doing on that sort of thing i think she's sort of book suggests that
you know it's a way of starting a dialogue with many people
because if the whole language of fasting and of silence etc doesn't mean anything certainly no language of psychological health does and of what these people do i think it's says give me give us common ground to dialogue with whole areas of put the
contemporary human family and a areas of ourselves also and so didn't set every new language you learn it gives you new areas for dialogue and up so it's it's another language for for dialogue with an area of ourself and with an area of contemporary

i use a very serene person i think he's like a sick of but i i always think of ignition system i am disappointed cetera
and there through
can he offers all sorts of ways going all sorts of different types of persons i don't know


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i know
because i collect them
i decided no such limits
this this gentleman reminds me a bit if you want to have submitted of it's intended it comes up of meditation ticking for the kind of the loving father was concerned to bring everyone to that joyous and written barging the heart sort of thing
so it's kind of punk pastoral is a kind of about very compassionate online certain way he started a wise old man until you started been some good so next time we can get into products so for their direction of the contemporary