October 10th, 1995, Serial No. 00136

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Rule of Benedict Novice Class # 1 - 1990s



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after the to going our interminable class on the road
and we started here the profession starts at fifty eight verse seventeen and then goes on to the end of the chapter
so upset
let's read that gregory you want to read the first chunk of head from seven time down at twenty three
when he has to be received he comes before a former community
passes to the analogy monastic like these
this is done with the presence of god and his sense to impress on the hours and if he had our backs otherwise you will surely be condemned by the want the boss
the states is promised in a and drawn up in the name stands whose drugs are there and though they haven't this present
the nos rides out of stock that itself or is illiterate they ask someone else to write it on but himself as a marked with his own and placed me off
after he has put it there than ours himself against verse received me lord because you've promised i shouted do not disappoint me and my soul
the balkan industry repeats the verse three times as glory need to the fall
when a novice prostrate himself of these of each com to ask for prayers and from that very day is economical islamic engine
hundred a we were on the years there have you lived with
this is a very full treatment of a profession right actually i compared to other things in the role and it is a liturgical art and st benedict is very concerned with liturgy of course as your channel as many chapters on the runoff has put even though he doesn't have the a christian who have it presupposes
snow this
appendix five and the urban nineteen eighty from page four fifty three two
for fifty seventh gives you the the four elements of this right rather st mary the first is the promise you have amongst formal province the second is the patricio the written down a contest
keep these terms and the latin the third is scalding or rachio that's the sushi pay may not remember sushi been received me lord according to your promise match of the year old traditional and the monkeys
cheng's us with his his arms outstretched three time traditionally and higher and higher note each time
and the fourth part is the confirmed the habit
and the early nineteen eighty two to these are shown at some length
not everything is as clear as it seems in this text
john you want to read the rest of them
twenty four to the rim
the psa is of possessions should either give them into the poor before them from a the form of a nation of them to the monastery about can convert a was going to solve problems communicate to love everything is not on his disposal
then there in the art is to be stripped of everything of the zone and it's wares and close and what belongs to the monastery the clothing taken it is to be put away have saved with logo for us ever agree with that will suggest can keep the the monastery which god forbid you can be
stripped of his clothing of the quality of the monastery for gets cast out that argument of is which the earth of the author should not be given back to the captain marvel step
now here we have the clothing the final of element in the right which was the original element of erotic number among the desert fathers the same was just giving her father habit and average it and there wasn't even information originally wasn't your information crazy for him this was you just give him a hard time before empty
outside the door and on that survives on the role of them as to negotiate benedict but then you put the happen on and upset and the instruction would come afterwards
if you read that long historical section and they are nineteen eighty or other historical sources you'll see that the attention given to monastic formation on they gradually emerged then the beginning he just would live the life and was very rough and ready they point out that there's an analogy to baptismal practice
in the beginning
as soon as a person like an activity of process as soon as somebody experience the grace of conversion and believed in christ they will be baptized and gradually they give some instruction have to watch in fact even from the beginning i think the instruction was given afterwards are gonna of mystic goji afterwards explaining but they had received and what they've experienced and then all
they graduate they did they feel the need for preparation before baptism and then that became quite elaborate
quetta cameron's having a whole long
like ritual year old being baptized at easter the analogy between monastic provision of baptism is very important
it doesn't come out everywhere on these treatments because it's very important to get to the depth of what is an odd and plastic profession one k to what is this change of clothes to take off the old clothing put our new club but that's what do adapters
it then we found it already in the gospel like because for park or the
the person to be baptized cloud and
score and and that would be taken out of take are baptized naked and then new clothing it for a parliament a baptismal the white robe very important so that's only one key to the connection between monastic professional actors and this development of the structure formation or instruction as a second key a third
kate is the amount of baptismal literature that there is in the early monastic text in the role shank better nick fury to mobilize commentaries you find a lot of
the citation the quotations the pieces of earlier literature that kind of is using are coming from some kind of baptismal literature
some kind of earlier touch them as associated with to someone as just in a baptism are like very much tied up with one another and their beginnings and the beginnings of monasticism is see this especially in syriac tradition one was it could be studied that paper gabriella winkler
ah no
early asceticism and baptism as if it was baptism which gives a person may experience which immediately impelled him into a classroom and monastic life
a life of celibacy a life of solitude so very important when we try to get the deepest meaning of monasticism the connection or adapters
another thing about this that i want to say now because i noticed that even if i don't check forgot about it it's extremely important that we have a tendency to wonder what the vows or about is especially puzzling why we noticed that we've got two sets about when you make simple profession temporary profession you're making five out
and you'll notice that other religious orders to ordinarily will next few posts the jesuits have an additional i don't think there's the ones who make their final position and some other orders apparently of a for congregations have another go to a particular kind of work
but the religious orders in general have three those poverty tested how obedient and this comes from the time of the mendicant orders and while thirteenth century and the time of scholasticism when you had an analytical or a new theological sort of aristotelian way of looking at images by we've them looking at
mastic like so that you tend to analyze it into components and your tend to think of it as being somehow constituted by different elements i remember puzzling and puzzling over those three thousand trying to figure out how they expressed or contained or embraced the whole of human life with a hold of religious like for nasty
but earlier on actually give the thousand individual about didn't have that much important what was important was that commitment as a whole and this relates to baptism against you baptism as a total experience which a unit to experience it gives you a unit of experience which sort of takes you out of the multiplicity of life into the center
of life into the center of reality and monasticism directly built upon that directly connected with it it's in the same line somewhere to the same line has gotta go straight to and the holy spirit comes i remember dumb morons book on the monastic vocation were talking about the the key word and when i see it being compunction compunction that is that is the spirit of repentance
there's the opening of the art and he finds that word and act to on pentecost day when the people that peter preached to overcome prompted code number there appears to the heart so he there's there's the origin of monasticism of go stay with a conversion experience of the first people who heard about the death resurrection of jesus
is that they were guilty of his death
how share wrote that one book pentose cannot was growing consumption is being a backbone of eastern ostracism so one liners that one line is the line of repentant compunction which is almost definitive of your own a monastic tradition the first thousand eugenia a second line is that unity of experience which comes in
baptism and which i believe is the core also have the monastic vocation and even though it's not understood right away in that way but all apply being pull together why does somebody take up the monastic like it's annoying a polar life together it's an order because they've experienced on how the unity of their person at some point because it be and touched by something at the center of the core of their
person and now they're compelled to pull it all together out that in or to realize that essential central touch them substantial touches china across which which they've received which they've experienced how do you live that out have you developed that how do you realize the seed of the unity of your person and the transformation
of your person that you have experience say and baptism or some other time time of vocation that's say so the monastic life is a logical way to do that for the early really people so they didn't even have to think about it much it was somehow instinctively that was a thing to do
whereas now are much more reflective and also that kind of experience is a lot more obscure or
i'm we just stay me it doesn't matter now wait contemporary civilization can embrace society is simply how to come out of touch with our countries out of touch me it doesn't seem possible to our culture
go once you've experienced that than something like monasticism since you like you're looking for you may end up in zen monastery the zen meditation hall are going to india or something they've they come to a monastery within the church
now what i'm getting at in part is that business of a multiplicity of the bows and the singleness of the profession because the professions you when you when you become a monk and some way you're dedicating yourself to singleness to unity and so the multiplicity of was confuses that if you look at it from the point of view of poverty chastity and
brilliant and very hard to understand what it's about why am i committed myself to these three things what does at me because it's not really three things it's one thing
and so what we have to put the emphasis is on his and the monastic profession and away way that relates to other unity of commitments a unit of experiences the basic one for the christian being adapted
think of john the baptist also has the kind of archetype of monastic like now the desert man the wilderness man think of the wilderness the desert which is the archetype of place on practices as being a place where you go some have to find the depth dimension of snakes which means the unity of europe self and the committee which is and way from
the how to push with you of the study of the world all of that and even of of human relationships and the a desert tradition but that's a very tricky and dangerous area
so i want to stress that unity of profession before we get lost to the into the details of ramifications
if you look at the three bows and the america can rule and we just read chapter fifty eight stability converting of life and obedience would try to make a logical structure of it and they can get very frustrated there's a certain logic about them it's almost like a stability holds you in the place
where a change of life is kind of occur in obedience is almost the piston on the machine which can a very crude image which brings about this transformation potential mechanical way of looking at it and it's not real
really those are you might say three expressions in the same thing and some i think they kind of the kind of sequential there's a certain structure to the basically they're talking about one thing the further you get back into tradition almost any tradition the more things more words become synonyms for the same thing the more you're going to be talking about one reality
when you're talking about deep things and the words that that float around that reality of overlap and sometimes become i gotta go if you retain paul i mean i'm talking about freedom our glory or grace or light or truth or salvation those terms all tend to coalesce and then separated and an overlap and
are orbiting around the same structure which is the one great gift and so it is especially and monastic tradition which is dedicated to death to the same grace which has received in baptism in the new testament christianity and which somehow is a comprehensive punitive all inclusive
great strong inclusion of thanks so the monastic words tend to hover around that covering and talking about the same thing from on another aspect
or even in the jewish tradition when you talk about your body to talk about so talk about great you're always talking about the human being i was talking about the whole organism for just from three different different aspects
but that's my fish for the energy of major
of the monastic commitment and the necessity of getting beyond the individual vows to understand what it's about
any questions about that before we don't on a look in to act
the three about stability
about monastic life obedience no templeton way in this example of a mechanical way yes okay now that's a very good question
from a contemplative point of view i would like to think of the three us as watching unrelated related to unity okay related to the one stability puts you at one place it avoids you're breaking out and moving along the surface okay it avoids what murdered cause distraction it avoids
reading yourself send in a multiplicity of played by a kind of evasion by the what father robert sometimes caused the geographical the geographical solution is to move somewhere else and do the same thing over again to be stable to root yourself in one place is to put yourself as it were in the vessel in the crucible
for this unit of transformation to take place is to accept what would you call except a particularly limited nature of human life and commit yourself to the achievement of humanity in particularity at one place okay it's like marriage in that respect so stability is like is like
the vow of being faithful to a particular partner and then from there on everything else works on you but stability and automatic like the stability that commitment to one place or community is in function of this transformation into unity
okay the incarnation of that such as like an incarnation of that unit to you grace great editor of invitation the conversion of life
it is like moving out and use a moving out of a world of distraction multiplicity into the world which is based upon centered upon and oriented towards unity now here i i'm i was a bias english definition because it since you asked me to have to look at it from a connected to the point of view but for me to contemplative point of years a unit two point of view so convert
version of life is moving from a world in which there's no central meeting a world which is fragmented and distracted and in which continually district you the tv to his kind of symbolic without in a sense where they're meaningless situation comedies and commercials and knowledge to okay from that into a world which as
everything is already hundred rounds one center and which are undergoing a transformation and to christ which is into the image of reality and i'm with other and st paul that the the situation before a situation of fragmentation you make this change this conversion this entering into christ the situation afterwards as a unit of situation
and which you are participating in this one temperatures the deepest thing of all of central thing your part of them the eucharist expresses it
now with this we have to be careful that we don't over accent the united states at the expense of the reality of life because there's a moving and there's a moving into an utter simplicity you might say and then there's a branching out and as a differentiation a person does not go into a kind of narrative cocoon but lives from the and our unity for ya
witty out into a world which is still multiple and to the extent of that person's where you might call it breadth and depth he'll be able to relate to the multiplicity of life without becoming for the point but before he has a enter into the into the energy and that's which to build these about metric conversion of spices about conversion of life with you and say obedience
and and the most elementary terms but was it st augustine who said that
no it was one of the desert cottage which does your bother was it says well i think it was a are seniors when he left people when he left
we might have been even been a group of monks he said look i can't stay with you because you have any willis and god as one will
okay i can't stay among you because you you have many worlds god has one will so he wanted to go to the place of unity which is the place of the single will of god but they said the will of god single will of god as much more than willing aren't and our sense okay it's like the the baptismal place where he says you are a couple of its
and your i am well pleased to tell us how the good pleasure it's like moving and moving away from the multiplicity my desires into a singleness of will which is really a purity your car or single best car knocking period a of singleness of heart to obedience is supposed to help me to renounce the multiplicity of
desires and the fragmentation of desires reaching out in all directions okay towards the surface of life in the world into the depths of my being were somehow all the energy of desire can be contained around god now that's purity of heart can you know you can say unity of will
fact kierkegaard's has a purely of partners to will one thing
but not as an object at that point or will become something else like this will of god we're talking about it's not a will toward something has to do something has to have something it's just pure being just pure self and might say just pure spirit
the purity apart it's a human person contained within itself as as it were one centered flame burning and got something like turkey so that's how i'd say from the point of view of community and try to say it in a contemplative all of these thousand somewheres post to
i supposed to contain you orient your even pressure you towards this transformation into the unit person into the truth and the depth of your own being okay which isn't god which is a participation in
have you can say the same thing about poverty chastity and obedience if you think about about probably enchanted nations or chastity and tell them country and away because instead of remaining yourself to someone outside doesn't work
and that the tunis okay there's an interior marriages kind and interior union
in which the person is fulfilled without the necessary sensitive that complementarity okay that's a necessity of fulfillment and another being who is the image of gun and complete the image of god and me to relate directly to god so that i participate in god and the image of god and female has somehow accomplished with
then me through participation and that god for contained within him male and female or we hit or hurt as a word and spirit that country
it may sound a little contrived but if there is a single point of view from which you can look at them off and they all show or angeles and direction towards this simple unity but in the early tradition there is a reflection like that is so you just have that unity which is an unspoken on articulated unity of the whole monastic thing which is nearly instinctive to
when fascinating and everything rotates around them
when we say that of course we're being in a way unjust to other elements of life were being unjust a community are being unjust to all of the development of the human person has to come outward instead of network but such a one sided presentation we'd have to say those other things
let's look at the commandments constitutions
number one forty three through one forty seven and the chief one when we want to put t attention on as one forty seven

number one for it video to conclusion of inhibition of the from report on the readiness of a novice for professional the prior of the community show than proposed a consultative go to the conventional chapter addition to first profession as soon as the economic or requirements are that fulfill what are thinking of their pajamas law
actually the
the twelve months no issue that has to be fulfilled the for a profession can i didn't bring the code of canon law c j c as the code of canada codex as chronology and those are the numbers of the canada
the same procedure show go to be followed for the solemn profession now consultative vote for simple profession that means that the community that the gathered solemnly professed monks gathered and chapter vote but the prior makes the decision having consulted them okay they're owed is not
definitive it's not determinative of the outcome but the prior could even override let us say about and a particular direction
which is very unlikely to very unlikely to do especially in a major issue like had been somebody end of the community he doesn't want to have a a discontented majority of the community but strictly speaking is consulted for a solemn profession of voters deliberative which means that if it's fifty one percent for
the person and he's accepted no matter what the prior six the prior cannot override of a contrary from the delivery
the first provision may be anticipated china's are of us trivial things one forty four looks not have a done
you're the novitiate the can hinder the tpp relay close the local custom determine on the road we require appropriate nutritional celebrations on the day profession they also received a nasty habit he recorded the traditional come out come out form we were than ah
on the part of a make other did provisions for special special mode for as long as the motive for okay now we have a local custom here that people were the habit of these part of it during the novitiate
and this is a change i think there's something came up after vatican two postponing the giving of the habit because they wanted what and wanted to accent a profession you see they wanted to give you the major sign because remember traditionally taking the habit was the major sign of profession so they wanted to bring that back and and
connected directly with a profession right at the same time but that's a tricky thing for especially since this is temporary profession later on as as solemn profession you can't wait to ah so it's a compromise
it seems especially in our culture to person needs some sign some tire supportive sign of belonging to the canon and having having become a monk at an earlier point and that's why we do not
they maybe it's time the other hand skyler not writing the censure that's right end and also the confirm the car judgment
you are a number of different elements there and you can differentiate a little bit don't want to make it to intricate
over a commodity i think they still do where were they building a jesuit in where they do where i can do to keep the fire him
one you by before making temporary profession and i received the administration of all his goods retaining ownership of no preview disposing of their usually driving drunk he has a snickers bars
in accordance with cjc a period of more intense spiritual preparation procedures taking advantage because that's the retreat we're talking about now this property business is very important i'm not sure that it quite clear in the translation the point is that you don't give up possession for you don't have to until you make fun about suburbs but yeah
do have to give up the administration okay those you can't the as it were playing the stock market during during type of profession you can have somebody else do it for you but they should really be doing and they should be administrative rather than your die
so what this means a freebie disposing of their use and enjoyment means giving up their use and enjoyment okay at this time it doesn't mean that a freesheet as really enjoys and and uses them during his about profession immensity confirms that hands out over to somebody else
lots of people just let go of whatever they had some people do it to stop other people hang onto things but have somebody administer everything for them if they're things are simple then there's no problem they're more complicated somebody actually may have to be
buying and selling assets or something or or administrative zone
a business or something fun
any questions about that
so after a simple profession that person isn't supposed to really have a disposition and use and enjoyment of their own personal property whatever that may be no exceptions are made for small things like books or items of clothing sucks
but major things really should be cleared up at that time
that and results are like checking accounts credit cards yes that's right now somebody shouldn't have is onda checking account or if you've got a savings account somebody else can sign onto it can take care of it for a ticket but an active checking county shouldn't have it
worldwide in the pasture it's also did he added can give it a chance and can you put it the ball now but identity and next we need a check then you get permission
right that's right it's not a your possession that are you don't have the free used to try to check on it would be the only under permission present they would be loved
okay this is about a temporary provision that one forty six if at the conclusion of his novitiate the nervousness judge to a sufficiently mature to embrace the contentment religious vows he makes temporary simple profession perforated three years is professionally be renewed for another three
years or even for another three years and maximum is nine year joking
minimum three years maximum nine years
temporary simple profession know temporary is the opposite of that is permanent right of perpetual the opposite of simple as solo
episode of simple his son but simple and solid a rather mysterious political terms you know it's not it's not clear exactly what np as far as rights and duties or anything like better concern it's perfectly evident but temporary and permanent or temporary and perpetual the so those terms are in a way more useful nevertheless
than we're we're often using the language some out
which for a month is like the solemn final consecration
pregnant you want to read the first paragraph one forty seven this one does a long complicated
your baptism among has already been consecrated to god but an acid he gathers you can vary differs from the grass as bad as he gets himself totally to god he loves all things by means of the public about name that administrating the church is bad
wow constitutes a special consecration
but he's been asking profession he is and sport command frame so daily from whatever mind turning away from urban charity and total cell to up
but a reminder that this consecration will approach perfection to the degree the ties monastic profession of buys into the war like the an array of obama in that exists between christ and his bride the church a solid and statement
notice that this paragraph and most between baptism and matrimony isn't it
that is the image of matrimony and thinking i suppose of other ephesians five of christ and his church are and i did like man and woman and the third on involve of course is that you could be good profession has made sure i knew it was disney and then the profession document has put on the altar citizen does a
very strong cycle mentality about this whole thing i think about dismal connection is the most important
they used to in the middle ages i used to talk about whether a sacrament of monastic profession should be instituted had never was and i used to talk about monasticism as a second baptism and the idea was if if you want to a monastery that is your sins were wiped out just as i got and during baptism and a monastery was on
often a place for somebody that govern eight committed major public sense and that would be assigned to them as a penance and or a monastery stay there either temporarily or permanently
so you know
as the attitude era the flu
that's why they are
the at the average physical punishment can give a got out alive
have a ball and chain
johnny want to read the next target
is allows masters students dread kenneth attention to what the commitments of monastic professional gale
we must remind them of thousand about chastity involves the practice of terrific cabinets the solid state the opportunities limitation and dependent the use and possession of goods in accordance with the constitution that by the vow of obedience and marks events and selfishness legitimate superiors
well i representatives of god when they exercise authority in accordance with the rule and the constitution's now that is a masterpiece of and craftsmanship at paragraph as your skin and gives you the content a basic content or definition of the of the three thousand hours a the three religious
so a little bit stepping out of the monastic context but quite useful
chastity about chastity is presupposed within the monastic commitment
and also pasha bathroom he only makes revenge and so as pottery were civilians was explicitly bowden and benedict profession
so we'll be talking about those details well known as well on the shelf
chicago because is just one little comment that up
i hate words like perfect you forget how to know perfect the continent's yeah that's a good worker scruples pm
and i'll start like as we go through this i i think it's real important to realize because it can begin to sound like oh god i would begin to do this yet nepal rather than realize i think already your then again know and i think one way i think approachable group
don't here is to is to hear what what's going to be presented as a way of further bombing what's poverty lawn in my life
and also be heard it also as a challenge to could i started to grow that's why i am
where's the perfect or we continually grow i believe in found in the converse like with their own now and opportunity that we're not there yet but you're not going to just begin filming guess whoever nineteen it's been going on in your life for a long time and so i can get it it's is it can be a source
a real encouragement a you personally if we hear what's going to be said as she i'm already living this you know it's already happened you like as don't need to grow and i still need to be challenged this autograph
now the word perfect
it's got several problems one problem is the problem of scrupulous me that some people will
perpetually be wondering whether they're immortal sooner but they're out of the state of grace because they had
another problem is that the pharaohs a possibility there okay neither were to just have you can maintain perfect chastity
why no overt sexual acts okay that's perfect chesty but it's a perfect chance to knew jesus talks about the purity of the heart doesn't and talks about something other words what is perfect chastity and is it is it attainable
was it mean
it means obviously that means obviously the minimum of refrain from sexual acts for okay but why is the way perfection for that he can manage meeting because it what's really involve as much more than that
what an added something also that you can start doing in a particular day that as you can
commit yourself after the day of profession to perfect interior chastity
you can and about can only be made can it not
do that which is external and can be verified
whereas the interior reach the interior roots and implications of the thousand and much deeper and can only be realized in the course of a lifetime because you think searched a printing press you go on as you get older asked the class
so they were perfect can be awkward there to that has several iterations that they can generate
yeah i think gotta get this name but that that the psychology of yet
and time without
solving and chatting to survive biking their life and never happened and kind of sexual assault them
and not necessarily given sounds like it all because our humanly there compared to their there's the possibility of going that that he that the person has never assumed the grown in their own human potential on and says always sequence was more of something that constructed between growth threatened
hello and so it was toxic
some people can live a life of perfect repression
which shouldn't be mistaken protested
okay here's the profession formula christian lobby and lot of anguish
anthony newley professed signs at the bottom so does the one who has received the progression and two witnesses were chosen by the business process
witnesses members of a community
the name of god and then the year of the lord of the day of the month i promise for three years my stability reformation of life poverty testing convenience or the five out which you have years the three benedict and thousand and three religious vows which the code of canon law consists be included it awesome and monastic the
they're here in this moment metaphysical profession they will not be an opponent of hassan question whether presupposed
do they included an elegant
cutting the role of our lives of benedict and the constitution to the commodities are in economic constitution of the herbs and then
namely and the community of new economically hermitage before going in sense the presence of the river father robert hale by of the hermitage and the credit
any questions about that
so the book will be passed to you at some points for you can ride out here for you have a homepage but you can't draw any pictures and footnotes
sly comments are not courage
unless they're that so as obedience to the rule not obedience to the prior well it is implicitly let me stay here
according to them
not just to have a it's according to the rule which means a village to the prior
yeah i get over that
okay and one forty eight
we don't care so much better
i should have mentioned the chapter that follows chapter fifty eight and the rule of st benedict fifty nine the offering of sons of by know those or by the poor and the emphasis and that one is all on making sure that the boy doesn't have any property waiting for money outside so the who jumped the fence at some point
so the emphasis on poverty is very important for benedict and terms of the steadiness and totality of the first commitment to the monastic like protect everything should come through the either
any questions about our last the and i don't have a lot more to him to say this work
because we're going to go and detail into a trophy
particular vows together as picture with commitment is required
i encourage you to read that i had out from consider your call and also to follow up to chapters are they did we have two copies of gotta keep them both on the
know at some point i might want a xerox part of that for you because it's a very intelligent and contemporary considering you
the profession and it's coming
the history of monastic profession i find myself always forgetting the details i mentioned that development from virtually no preparation no instruction to an instruction afterwards
and then finally to earth
a structured period of preparation of testing and instruction before the profession that so so you have a year of novitiate in erosion and benedict that became standard for all like the the jewish communities in the church of religious orders and then a nineteen seventeen you have a ten
perry profession becoming obligatory for all the artists so everybody had to accept that inserted into their scheme before their is permanent profession
then he had temporary profession
and a three year period temporary profession minimum before going onto solid profession and i'm sure the reason for that was a number of people who are leaving
apparently because they didn't have sufficient preparation sufficient testing sufficient time to consider it and explore as to whether that was really the application and they don't like technically them to some conversion
it wasn't there appeared to work on that passes decision but certainly some of these stories where there's two years inefficient
a cannot be around and yeah like the trappist the trappist had a second year of a bitch that i believe and somewhere to a second year division for everybody i think there's still there you a compromise might have a crowd when it comes to sure it will help if have a much shorter passions yes
whereas we have a years postion to some some monastery that a six month costume something i think because the past yancey is not legislated in canada so the constitutions of your congregation of border can santana as they wish why proportion since my first year in a dish that is the most mostly
in question says and
in lots of places i suppose the post challenge he would be the president just be in a community before he's really entered into the structure formation of pressure so if likely lot of observers
okay snack you next time then we'll consider it that
vow of condescension more i'd recommend the sections in the rv nineteen eighty in fact there may be enough copies of that so that each of you could grab month during this class in the library that would be handy grief and xerox out that portray to show let me give you the page numbers

the content of monastic professions from page for fifty seven to four sixty six
and there's a long trip of a fan reception large but all of the scholarly debate and confusion you could ask for it
h four fifty nine two
to for sixty three so you can make your home educated judgment
the medium of the term
the aid of stifled
hop in browsers you want to look into the work of hackenberg we have a listen to it
they will start wondering about an element of that what nineteen hundred
so they started sending their students to run for an education
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