like
and i'd like to use once again the section from consider your cross for our xerox or could be cut them and it's not as long as this one and our next session will be next friday and week from today because they're too many things going on or recreation things home so on friday november third huh
a monastic obedience and so i get these are acts to your early enough so you'll have time for over created before them
since after that are both busy in the following week tuesday and friday as as just schedule to understand unless something i said
and that will be on
poverty and instability
okay this time you had that long
manzarek section which from is kind of the carpet for us
and there's an awful lot in it's impossible to do justice to even a part of it and just an hour but let's go through and hoping that have read it a go through it quickly and invite you to raise questions when you on a dog but when you want to discuss them so i don't do it try to do a kind of
boko out by another
just bring up the points as as a possible opportunity for discussion festival on the first page one fifty four he gives you a brief historical overview and why celibacy is not even mentioned as a monastic though because it's understood
it's understood as gives me just instinctively at the heart of monastic profession but also more specifically under the conversion of like understood that way by benedictines we don't know whether his benedict with sort of quite in that way
and then a different
ways in which chested express it is so just as a universal christian virtue but it's one thing and married life it's another thing and discovered a book and then a problem today to which he has quite a bit of attention in fact the next section of beyond that
how both as a crisis of celibacy as is obvious and all kinds of ways you could say that there's a crisis or about sexuality and the church today among catholics remember it on be to remember the whole issue of birth control abortion the emergence of the feminine woman the feminist movement and then the crisis of celibacy it's so
so and all those things that are happening in greece but he's no better feeling in case there's knowledge and all kinds of
who have symptoms are kind of a toxic symptoms that are shown up as thirty years
and many people who have abandoned priestly life than be they're just like this well and at the same time this is new light coming out of is a there's an understanding which is emerging he said both philosophy and psychology of hope eventually from theology as well about the deep meaning of sexuality for humanity
but also it's going an extremely deep meaning for christianity which i don't think the church has really managed to
to bring elegance i don't pretend to
to be able to say much about that whole needed to signs are there that perhaps the real understanding of sexuality and very close to the heart of christianity and stuff that is the meaning of christian what jesus brings up to this world he doesn't want sexuality and that this and it doesn't liberate sexuality exactly but does it transformation of the human person
so that sexuality becomes not i would you call it not a drag against spirituality but becomes something like the the vitality of spirituality and stuff and even the the sexual images image of masculine feminine of male and female is central to the whole industry
innovation and i think has to emerge that way again and christianity which it really hasn't done it really hasn't already
call emerged in a fully transformed way i don't think of christianity it has on one side as you consider the last virtuality of the bride of the word the word of god as pouch that's from from the time of origin ten the new testament that done from the time of origin of through st john the grossman that's the background
the basis of our western spiritual theology but what about the other side what about the feminine side is a feminine side just the churches the bride of christ is there more to him now is the feminine side of humanity comes out socially you might say
and as the feminine side of the individual male person comes out psychologically know you're the owner that don't think the anima has a doorway to male interiority what about the feminine side and spirituality for men for males
and in theology what about the feminine side of god ultimately some of the wilder feminist the of merchants right about that and of course our image of god is broadening do as we realize that god can't be captured and single image
and that as we recover are apathetic tradition we also recover the possibility that balance in which we are in touch with participating not only through the masculine image of christ jesus and a father but through a feminine image which is maybe not so much an image but a feminine participation in
which i think we haven't heard the whatever you might call it to express up to now
but i think it's important for males of the street
okay introduction that contemporary problem crisis from seller this me and a church has ever done enough that it's not merely would you call i'm going to decay it's not merely infidelity that's not merely restlessness and rebelliousness so there's something deeper going on and then he's got that phrase on top of the next page a new problem about salad
she that no one had ever thought of before there's something like that and there was something is happening in history and isn't just something falling apart from is something emerging years ago is a some kind of shell falling apart and something else an emerging from inside a person
a crisis of the mind out of the flesh certain philosophical currents now i suspect i'm sure that he's right here but it's the same time i don't know that it's really to philosophical currents which which produce these changes but what produces the philosophical current another would use their historical evolution inside and underneath all of this which expresses itself and like a
ossipee existentialism advantage person each other about ninety other ways and one of these being the whole issue about of a crisis of celibacy or no thinking about sexuality and television doesn't matter too much he mentions freud first and then the kind of sensuality this sexual drive
and the celibacy seems unnatural and a purely croydon perspective but that doesn't go very far that's a lot of freud's you know end-stage and his philosophical over projection of them seem rather crude now of psychology it's more subtle
many jokes about existentialism and the business of authenticity and living an authentic life and are being a perpetual growth and is that compatible with a permanent commitment say to elitism or with a permanent commitment to one person and marriage for them but maybe celibacy makes it especially acute the issue
you can be seen at the contractual aspect of a lifelong dedication as spell interest he appears to many people who are irreconcilable with serious human living
the block the possibility of personal growth
and deeper content on the future and then the personal list wing an existential and personalism tend to see everything in terms of of interpersonal relationship and of the growth of the person realization of the person and an interpersonal context so to deprive yourself of that by
by abstaining from any kind of the intense personal relationship with that kind of the sexual kind would seem to doom oneself or deep relationships of love which to do much else way to sterility to a few to life
so there's a lot of that kind of thinking a lot of that kind of feeling around and so a presentation none of the see today and monastic sovereignty has to deal with it has to be adequate to it has to at least taken into account and be able to give some kind of tentative answer to that question
which is what he tries to do you
then anything about that on those things will come up again as he nears the end of this on treatment of challenge notice as over thirty pages here i know that named treatment of the other golfer and why is a i think it's because sexuality cut so deep into into human nature and therefore unto the monastic
reality show that raises the two questions deeper even than something like obedience of poverty
there's a lot deeper mystery and sexuality and television and i think also that the historical movement is such as the mystery and such an urgent mystery to us that it demands a very thoughtful treatment
okay there's not much in the rule about celibacy
an hour before the fourth chapter to love testing but that may be the general christian virtue of tested it comes straight from the roadmaster rb seventy two carried to term return it to others cost and panda that is to live eternal love
he chased me
i haven't translated well that's approximately
that's pretty brave and of course which suggested that that's how the quality of relationship between brothers and then to other statements which are nearly the same
in chapter thirty three you might even have their own bodies and wills with their on your stroke kind of problems and another similar statement later on well not have dominion even over body now what does that mean it sounds like first corinthians seven for the wife does not have dominion over own body of case but it sounds like it as a sexual reference or an illusion to it
so there's not much and the things that are about just videos television and the rule or rather rather oblique that i had on
and now
complete your target specific
so
he has to go further abroad to talk about the relationship with the world has ever seen it does that by talking briefly about that communion our community and warm fraternal relationships and that preferring absolutely nothing to the love of crush and i love of christ one of its meanings this average they need the kind of the the communion of the community
and the the sheriff relationships which are not exclusive and private so an exclusive relationship there were machine to the preferring something to the look of courage
and kind of a collegial a kind of at community and then the issue and get me a purity of heart which was named benedict is connected with were so those are the two dimension you could say the vertical and horizontal
individual md camino
and then theological context as long section not trying to dig up all the possibilities of a basis for some of the same christian as doesn't
personal reflection on sexuality and marriage and covenant of scripture where if there's a very positive treatment of sexuality and in fact
remember that the image of god as man and woman according to genesis one and then that the the movement was a messiah tied up with the generation is tied up and sexuality is tied up with the beginning of children and expectancy of this one who come
and then the song of songs and the image and the national image for the relation of god and his people israel
and then in the new testament
the importance of the body and of flesh
number by virginia closely the flesh the hinge of salvation that comes from to italian carrara cardoso saluted the flesh is the hinge of television i've written turns around the body of christ but when it turns around the body of christ in which is crucified and risen it turns around that and so far as we participate in into further we are
the body of christ and the eucharistic garage with the essential connection there
so that can't be overemphasized so to talk about sexuality to be talking about the body to talk about a christian salvation that theology and salvation of haskell industries to talk about the body to and i was the relation between to he'll come back to that several times and often through the link of the eucharist know that somehow the uk
she has a has a deep relationship to sexuality and shows
this reality of the new body we moved from a certain state of the body the body which is oriented towards the union of some kind of is oriented never towards one flesh and the creation of that moment in genesis two
to a new body and which were once you get one flesh but this flesh is the reason left the spiritual body of christ
okay i'm sure the scriptures and and the old testament there's not much room for seller this there's that one reference to your eye
the baroness is a curse
and then in the noticed and you've got st paul and particularly in first corinthians seven where he says that the married men and number has to be concerned with this world because he's got a peter's wife whereas the unmarried manage on the contaminant beijing a load and i think that's got a deep deep truths to you that so
somehow marriage is an investment in this world and the need to care for another person in this way in this world somehow roots oneself in this world and then they the addition of children just solidifies and increases it
where's to be unmarried is the least potentially to be free for something else and free for not disorder that is passing away victory for the new word and when jesus ducks about that
marriage and the resurrection or in average didn't in those terms that somehow marriage belongs to this sort of that is passing away and any other word and the other world there isn't any marrying are you are being given in marriage and they're like the angels got
so there's paul and and as matthew nineteen about the unix remember there are those who have made themselves your next bit a king with god as well as the other unix it's not a have you got warmly received text today didn't have it
back there
when encouraging
ring about another
you know that i'm talking about them
those were married or concerned about this girl can
i've now i'm free for the other relevant and yeah there's that whole reality that other world peace or that's right now travel and so were made it's it's important that i hear that in a way that says relationships in this world are not necessary now
because i guess you have the vikings is came part of that transformation that thing and i try to go with much right and i think it's easy for a in the towns with some of my teaching in the past and attitude
and that relationship isn't that right because of how i have to be forgotten the other world that something is going to happen
down there a when i view this world and yet it does that impact national jesus
now that's right that's one place where bloggers put the vertical against the horizontal it as if but in other places love the only thing that counts and he's not talking just about their particular of obviously he talking about you talking about far as ours but yeah that i hadn't i hadn't reflecting on average co and in both sides are true added
the question of somehow brain and both them to making him both explicitly and then then looking at buffalo that we need it said i'm not saying that that's the argument to the gays all this about grabbing a that afraid of insolvency kids does not on say that the person does not include
agent you know choice for one's own and as for am also or it's it's there that one finds i think that new world where not try to i think it is possible to draw a careful line between say relationship and then the whole recall material
accumulation that is needed for american somewhere have to establish a family plants oneself in this world and choice so it goes beyond just pushing a wife doesn't it i mean is this is much more to it and especially when children are and of it means making an establishment a unit in this world with with house with this with that you know all of that
and so to have that it is i think radically to to way down that freedom some people can manage and internet free for them with the kingdom them especially now that you hear about people in order to spend their whole lives trying to make it theirs they don't have a creative like for anything
so the show of it like an connections with very privileged like
so but relationship and then that investment in this world a ghost of marriage i think can be distinguished man

then he really liked this park where here he's been talking about jesus saying about the unix and then the third category of persons who are equally incapable and consequences something that has happened to the namely the kingdom now hear the word uniq turns around like the irony of the powerful you know how they can have the parables will flip around so that you get the op
visit that like the word uniq as that has a terribly dampening sound
but there's something that get like the fathers of the church right the unix but not to be not to be considered for the priesthood or something like that because there's something there's something missing because somehow that dynamism of sexuality has to be in the wrong person of young person and that complete in the word yonex suggests that the dynamism of thin air at all
but it turns around here and this interpretation so that instead of the diminishment there's the splendor okay and the word unique then as that typically parabolic irony and paradox that you find that other expressions like those those hard masters and so on and the parallel or the foolish masters
a third category of person you are equally incapable the unix and consequence of something that has happened to them namely the kingdom's she knows the iron there's where it flips around with the kingdom and something wonderful us to another so it's almost as if the need for that kind of generation or that kind of union has just been put to sleep by this abscess
the in which is promoted if you read the syringe and especially remember being closer article on early asceticism and assyrian church that's what you get that baptism was such an experience of fullness and unity for the that to that the hunger that sort of pit the emptiness that would have caused them to
zeke a completion and another person just isn't there
it doesn't mean that the that lifted out of relationship either it just means that relationship has changed there's not a relationship for me that book
the initial experience both individually and also historically in some way you'll find in the early church and initial foliage which as izmir which seems to make the other union unthinkable so that for some of the syrians and some of those churches to be baptized sort of committed your of celibacy now turner said
color change crazy was
but remember also on the other side of it that paul was a well
why am i different from the other apostles from peter and the other positive number schaefer's that can have a white or be accompanied by a woman they can so it's it's not necessarily so now there was it doesn't necessarily eliminate the other relationship but for some people are some some people change to make the other relationship becomes evil
especially in the beginning they can have their doubts later on the parables of the treasure and the pearl where the person find something that's a wonderful they go there celebrating they have for that now there is a kind of total dedication it's total self opening and emptying for that which they have discovered and i think that's really what it's about one media when
the thing is at its best right down the central line monastic vocation that's relatives
because of the kingdom of heaven as the same as because of me
because they've let the sheer joy of the king to possess them and fill their home horizon show and they just pick up and go with
okay the motivations for christian television and this is involved he's got
first of all the ambiguity of celibacy and our society and and people remain tunnel away from all kinds of reasons because because they're a violinist you know or because they're a surgeon or because they they have some kind of profession that obliges them to move and i just don't have time for children or for contrary my shoulder and often they remain so they don't have
a disappointment or out of and capacity or out a very unhappy and wounding relationships with people just make up my drug which is not a a positive
michelle
and then some people also for to be spiritual seekers
no find people and how spiritual quest is so central and so filling them they don't really have run for another relationship and that's getting close to the monastic thing
but he says the christian choice would not emerge for the king was not a single simple reality and find all kinds of motivation all kinds of rationalizations explanations but the reality it's not news that next something single and simple it's the way that we think of a the way that we explain it afterwards revision
the basic christian out of discipleship and purity of heart and discipleship is is
this note communion
and it's to both the fellowship with jesus and the fellowship with one another the new kind of a purity of heart there's a kind of emptiness within the individual person and kind of interior solitude
which is necessary in order to experience the anterior unity
he talks about a fundamental unity which is a consequential gross redemption and this requiring a certain emptiness and this and this way the idea of giving up everything in order to be filled with that unity giving up everything that you have in order to have nothing but the one thing which you are
and which is also crashed which is also got i think that's an unparalleled
this is the purity of heart of which the early lunch programs described and chamber and extent of chapter so he's equating purity of heart with integrity
martin's a good a good
resource on this this kind of issue and the integrity of the self the oneness of the self unity of yourself remember that work of his on
what's the name of it
delia
the a monastic experience the anterior experience that we used a commemorative brooklyn
that's the basic image there is the integrity of the shelf participation in one a short cut
so purity of heart is just another name for that period of artists like the negative or the a negative way the apathetic way you could say of expressing that positive quality of unity
and that's what the monastic like was about it and very deeply
but not everybody will think of it in that way there's more the internet for inspecting them
i think the communion the community aspect the discipleship and fellowship with but before the extrovert like
but both of them should have some significance reach mars
it's outflow the outflow integrity from the center of the person is chested just beautiful
once you can recall a baptismal experience and that fullness which they experienced
the focus is awesome and integrity shampoo unity which doesn't mean anything unusual
therefore it's not inclined to establish bonds for the sake of fulfilling a need and may establish relationships for other regions and that that fellowship that kind of the of it there isn't any home to be book
where's there is usually in media
the question of a relationship that the opposite sex
the threat to both discipleship and purity of heart is idolatry and idolatry either for instance of the other person of the relationship to romantic fantasy the romantic relationship romantic love which would ravage talk to the really often where the other person is expected to fulfill
with all of eternity that expected to become a complete life for you and which is very disappointing afterwards
that's one kind of analogy the other person she was deified in the wrong way and i think deliberate tributary of a like because they love actually and romantic love it smelt it is a glimpse of the of the glorified person glimpse of the the transfigured person which has a very real place
but then that has to be somehow brought into it needs the apathetic and to see beyond the person as well and you realize that that's just a glimpse that we can walk on however
and then celibacy itself can become an idol
i don't think you see that so often in male religious vibrant monastic life it would be more common and in women's communities and especially where the consecration of urgent i think he's been taken with extreme seriousness okay over the status of status of urgent ah
has has been home to car dramatized
and and worshipped to such an extent that the whole eco it's mission is attached to it collectively and individually
and then he talks about to attitudes towards our the see here one because functional and which celibacy is that there's a finish a means towards your whole the other he calls maritime and which shows you actually identifies with the
will the goal itself into my it's like
realized eschatology
it's this fullness that we were talking about which were chastity is the outflow from the center of the person on television in this case the output from the center of the person from what has been experience what has been realized there's already a taste of the final kingdom whereas in the first when you're working towards him
and that requires the freedom that
is so a machine
they don't experience there's notice you precisely is intrinsic to that relationship rather as it means to and now that's especially true for priests okay no time to appreciate turn on much here but that's especially true for preach many of whom resent the fact that they have to be celebrating in order to decrease because they don't see any connection between that what you're doing that and the essence of the
a vocation for a month
that shouldn't be served to the same degree it shouldn't and targets were there may be a conflict but there should be some of the second
aspect the marital expect spectrometer should be experience that is the the deep relationship between show that between the cigars and the a goal actually of the monastic like and some kind of experience with that already
now that that shouldn't be an appreciative of but it rarely is
any questions or discussion about that before
jennifer that there could spend years summer
okay now
he then specifies and four different lines of thought for different biblical or new testament interpretation but a say of television the first one is the example of changes that jesus virginity how that expresses his coat of relationship with products to herself gift
and also the way to such connected with poverty with homelessness and security marginality and also with pastoral freedom and freedom for universal friendship with users could be the same for everybody because he wasn't tied to one
there was no exclusive bring a relationship for him so that the rest of us would be in a secondary or lesser kind of and took issue with them
and then he talked to some length about users relationship with
now they're are what he's doing it she's getting beyond their subject a little bit i thank you talking about how this should be reflected in the life of the celebrate monk
is of relationship and positivity with the hammer
he must have completely accepted an integrated as on sexuality only a man who has done so or he's begun to do so can relate for the the women
no trouble that is it's very hard to know what is meant by completely accepting an integrating our on sexuality that it's a it's a puzzle i think probably that we only understand what that means after done or something because it's it's not have it does are words that only gradually open shelves i think
the only opened they're only open from us from the after signing up from the beef worship other people can help at some point of significant right direction
and it's by no means easy
okay secondly sacrificed on the best car industry the title is almost a self explanatory and it follows directly in the line of the first one because this was the termination of jesus by but it was already there all along the road of this journey
i tried to aveda from a stake here that is the idea that something is valuable to be extended a field trip
but something is is like the bad medicine thank you know this case real bad and three a good and to the extent that something painful it's meritorious good and there's been a lot of them not in past centuries there's very little it around now it has been a lot of it around in past centuries in the industry a travelers by french
but not only
the that absolute timing of a spirituality and crush the heart of sacrifice is not destruction but making over to carry it's also not pain now we can get so we think that that the pain is in can turn into a terribly inverted kind of spirituality and psychology because we can't operate that way we can't run that paint
it's like asking an engine to run on water or sulfuric acids i won't do it we can only run on the positive our organism on the operates on the president if we think that we're enjoying suffering it's probably good for getting a deeper satisfaction and a deeper level in some way that we're not even conscious or something
you put being given to us we can't run a magnitude

vow of virginity and a special way to worship with erotic
what that means it is bodily worship this idea of the body is of living sacrifice your virginity would be the lifetime ongoing equivalent of martyrdom
but they used to call was quite harder than muslim and we had read by the irish a green again
and
from the second century virginia with associated with martyrdom and support training request sec was a modern of virginity and the eucharist form a very ancient constellation of ideas that's something to reflect about that's a good on to reflect on what they have to do with one of them and asked us as today's
carter no it's considered mine
a lot of people would say so but if you say that i'm you into effect time and in what way it is a modicum and one of the principal ways in which it would be a martyrdom would keep i sell of as you uk
which is right at the core of monasticism average people say today is is a total diminishment and sacrifice and destruction of your own life of your own personal that is the the mind of the world third
so the way in which monasticism is a martyrdom is largely television
martyrdom virginity and the eucharist the wall
a unit to sacrifice the body in some way
but that they're there for reflection they think they're very profound is bringing those together all the rooted in christ as a mystery other mysteries of self-giving love explicitly they get to the by
okay thirdly services and eschatological barium and then he didn't give the gospel reference here but it's and probably in all of the synoptics remember to a check mark in that before this question of this anticipate the observed example the woman who had seven
husband's from them so whose husband she's gonna be in the resurrection jesus as you understand needed a power cut know the scriptures when they rise they will neither marry nor a given it mary would be like the angel came to the to wonderful wonderful story wonderful saying made you're wondering what kind of what kind of existence
is especially since jesus as a member do you not know or have you not read what moses says in a place about the burning bush and the passage of the bush the burning bush so the burning bush at the image in the background of what jesus says about about the future life here and when you put
that next to the idea of celibacy and sexuality the to begin to something begins to she clash between the two of them somehow is my virginity is why should be the beginning of the experience with the burning bush of the participation of the fire which is the divine life
that is the fire of human sexual energy a human energy gradually gradually gradually being transformed and another fire which is good
and therefore no marriage necessary
so whatever sexuality is it's a sample and they prophesy a promise of something greater than itself and the next like which contains all that it is but in in the more the magnification of them all
so the eschatological eschatological is means less names of critically but to ever before the for the nature of a work
now then he separates this into two aspects and this is typical and you talk about
and eschatological to make one is he already in the others were not get on the one hand you've already experienced something which may push the possibility of marriage out to the margin
because there's a fondness their that way you no longer feel the need for that relationships with article common that's the you already and you can you can express average is in his love his charity and summer
the other is the not yet in which an order to be fully committed to the seeking to the expectation to that which is to come you sort of express your your unfulfilled them but it was like fasting and that says you know how can how going to fast from the bridegroom is and the bridegroom is taken away and help best over gemini would be
charlotte that she would be good fix my mother's name like or with the position of pilgrim the position of seeker of one on the road requires is total emptiness this wilderness
disposition of allowing the desire the expectation to fill one-shot now one of these is like the garden and the other is like the wilderness one is like paradise tasted and the other is like the desert and they go together are in separate much better when you can you can have one and your consciousness about the other the sanctuary i think they fit together
two thirds of the same thing the realized and the future eschatology the already and the not yet
his virginity accentuates the fact that he has not yet arrived com but he wants to make total of room for that thirst okay wants to make the have a totally available capacity for the fire have that hunger and thirst for the king which isn't some i already the kingdom tasted to see the already answered this
eric and that very desire and that intensity or like may not feel ever
and then the issue of eschatological witness high perfect and then somewhat this is if it's lived well this man and a giggle as long as it's got the prominence and eleven phone if so what's the difference between sell this the and virginity well virginity celibacy is a is a state of unmarried right
which has been chosen okay virginity first of all means it a physical situation a physical condition of not having had sexual intercourse okay and the other beings of virginity are built upon that one so you're starting out from different celebrate is a single person or virgin is a person who has not had that
not physical young and okay you start from there and then virginity takes upon it he's other meanings as you talk about consecrated virgin okay as you bring them together and make them merely synonyms when i talk about this right for the contribution of urgency because we're going to get to better than the different levels of the meaning of work virginity come
celibacy is more is a more simple circumscribed or virginity as the different layers
especially the way it was used in the church fathers time
okay churches the bride of christ this is our fourth line of motivation
and first of all he wants to say that you've got to relationships to grow to one is identification with christ in a way that's the deeper one could we are for one were baptized we become cracked women with the body of questions from the words of the father and you are my beloved son of johann it's marble even though we don't think about
a too much a lot of time we forget that in christian history the other one is our relationship to christ as as i am now and here it's talked about in terms of bridegroom and bright and there's a long history for that as a snake in spite of the fact that it seems to go against the grain from them to be thinking of themselves as this positive crush the bride of courage to get our
there's practically none of the other that is a some kind of divine feminine being associated with with about that
he does talk about the possibility of identifying with christ as bridegroom here and typically for the bishop who is somewhat wedded to a local church okay and which stands for christ with other country that's a little bit external
okay now it's especially women for whom this this fits because that's the way a woman is and so the symbolism is perfect and it's aligned perfectly for a one for a man as a tilt to a desert there's a stretching her and
you can talk about your soul as being espoused quest for instance to a little harder to to
jam the whole of ourselves into with all of our experience of gender experience have to go to the mail experience into that under that category then he talks at length about this a writer the consecration of urgent which is not directly of concern to us okay now he's writing this post much knowledge and among benedictines i guess that
right at the consecration of urgency has been an issue
and she does tied up very much with the sense of identity of saw my profession nudge and many community so that's where you give so much base it a couple of pages action and spend so much time on that word regeneration distinguishing is different level
at our cocks guard was all your get him
the present or not
he can with says it's really tied up with the right and it was a lifelong process you look at one gradually grows into virgin mary that's it that's a parrot action because we think about virgin festivals as the the inviolate as the on unbroken from the beginning the original integra
you think going to men here are growing and yeah i think we get narrower the on the physical sense yeah and i'd i'd say you know i i guess is as i think more about and a person can have had sexual experience and still be vertical move in the sense that growing into
to that whole giving yourself for the sake of rising further and for the witness i've gotten so building that i give my whole life is not try and again and includes all kind and he he would say that the present presenter you know that includes all kinds of the inauguration
ships and or that and can be yeah
so so the in one way you'd like the chastity can be not being married result in nothing pairing
original i think i can be that your identification or giving them once like or about whether there has been formal village
and and one's own life it includes once of a life and you grow more more deeply
as search by booking from original to terminal or final virginity and just make and from exposure to increase their virginity and much
aren't refurbishment to talk about
instead on the line against i want to visit to know even in terms of you know our affirmation today has to ask to be much brighter than ever with where you're another
because of information as to include i think he gets it for granted the average africa so much in terms of integrated water sexual now repeat words she a lot of trouble and wanted a big issues not only for men as just as or maybe just like for christianity is whether it can integrate in sexual energy because of the camp was robbing about
such that it becomes a dead museum because that's our energy and it's not the your who say it's not sexual energy charity but it somehow
it defines a to first of all the technology and then going to be transformed on it retains some kind of a sexual fashion to a sexual equality to in some way it has to move through our our sexuality this hundred cheetos and if that is mister excluded or request to exclude or were somehow lost by by religion especially like the
oceania the budget buddhism kind of way of dealing with it especially christianity that christianity is dead
the church is dead and monasticism instead to so it's a a life-or-death question really which comes up and hitches very directly today
when people accuse
the church of being of definition of a failure to integrate procession the vitality of like so speedily the the fire of like and the same for monastic in the presenter also said not forgetting his neighborhood come he also said are like if if we look itself as a month
sexism as a purely functional thing like it is increased to it yeah that's pretty good he says then we're robbing monasticism another thriller know
yeah exactly because monasticism like christianity has to find a central line right direction and know exactly how to say that but
it has to discover that the the sexual of thing where maybe being it's greatest possibility of it's greatest temptation it's critics possibility greatest magnetism to go outside of the on track as those votes greatest power on it's want to spend a great
the secret of monasticism and actually kind of sexuality and very close together there's like this you could or christianity and as you could have to check smell i'm kind of like i think of recently to have that has been transformed and that's jesus didn't choose it and it's kind of remember that your spirituality have that's how i like this one parent and eighty one sixty nine
says since jesus was gone far for and i'm worried about and from impatient he was able to accept the erotic and transforming from
the stories of the simple woman who was at his feet and mary work at the to suggest something of his power here is to take an erotic and passionate a cash for their car without rejecting or destroying it
indeed been a lot of faith is very much
and i like he says without rejected or destroying it notch i took it and somehow his elite transforming i think that's and she said i think you realize that the and how you can get you there lived there is a program or process that can be stated something that
and it happens i think through a relationship
yeah because otherwise we're we're secure rosa walking and sand and walking on thin ice or were taken from humanity interests change everything health know those words from within a very important and there was that the pretty deep i think and a sense that wasn't mean from within able to
accept neurotic and transported from within
that somehow it's possible to reveal the inside of sexuality in a cage is possible to open the thing itself to something deeper within itself by which it loses its shadow or while i say that the by which the transformation is also i'm opening up to something within us
to the inside is invisible but it's the same thing but something much more something much more powerful and at the same time something changed now which has lost the would you call it to to purely fleshly gravitation of of a b x term which is not evil
but it's only like t the immature or or what we say the early early blossoms or something like that that which is to be real franchise those i got to kind of like where i think a lot to stop it is to purely flush or by and and get on that bad at all but get there
or something more than now and again it doesn't mean you deny that but the united states to go beyond the i think that's why he was able to take your rotting in the maschinen nuts without rejecting are destroying it and saying and beyond that we got did not get get it is it's harvard edu to work with running are they
gtc to to deal with us you don't want to deny moisturizing time you move beyond it it's hard to think about but somehow the the key is there i think something similar probably happened to had married couples were married for many many years and the fleshly think when people go there just kind of maybe know she lessons and
thousand and something else inside something much stronger deeper change to a heart that kind of transfiguration and yet we're still in the body he wanted to ask about within our body but it's something yeah it happened in the body happens right within the other rather than the other not questioning setting the body of anything that happened the part there's a weakening somehow on the outside
a weakening on one level on a string tank and an urgent
and that's analogous to what happened you with christianity makes your home it's as if christianity she has produced from within section reality is it's blossom the the ultimate the final and full reality which contains within itself on opened and on on liberated
which is not quite sexual liberation and that the sense of touch usually taken it's not sexual license or do it you want something else is taking the same by right into and right through this thing and opening it up fully
stop for a person as a avoid spread christianity does matter
okay
we'd have to be have to quit pretty smart so just a run quickly through the rest of this he separates those different levels of virginity first the theological and spiritual as purity of our bodily and psychological level
and then it goes into the the common meanings of the word virgin and virginity which
how about physical meaning of a physical integrity
and he's dealing with all of this i think because of the importance of that consecration of virgins
the criticizes about the dangers of
idolatry that are involved in then that right he's doing a very delicate because he doesn't want to end about five hundred thousand one
hey all four of these aspects at the end of this section are related some way to the eucharist
and that's their i think for for reflection
member eucharist his body is an experience with the body of courage the unit and body of christ
and sexuality and celibacy deals with the body and with the unity of by the unitary capacitive unit to reality the body as it moves from one place to another as it moves along a journey
not always been a you know about the divine feminine so i just leave that for the future budget this crisis of so of this anime sexuality somehow and the emergence of woman has something to do with the discovery of the other side and with the and if there's a crisis of sexuality and celibacy and the church parking i think the reason for that or where that's going
as the emergence of this of this other side this other dimension of our relationship to god
okay personal application of the soviet application of marginality that's something you'll hear a lot about
and monastic spirituality of course
and it changed now and then
marriage is no longer put down for a long while
the celebrate life was at the center in and christian thing and catholics making approach to the gothic thinking and and marriage was the second class option has terribly it's a terrible thing to do people and to deprive them as it were the the glory of the one neuron gift
poverty of spirit
and probably a spirit he's doing that a real human poverty here remember somebody was an african has certain
the poorest man in the world there's a manner that of like
so that has to come out of some kind of deep expression of our marriage means of what about him human communion nature and be able to say that but that's got a lot to do it does a real poverty now
we need to discover that poverty able to somehow experiences so the bleak can find out how that fullness so that we can want that same fullness in some way i find out how it's going to come in my life
personal growth and integration of janet amateur the physical that i have activity the emotion and feeling mental the relation of than level soul and cost of living
and he talks a lot here about the problems that we inherit
the problems that we grow up with a horrible gaping holes and loans and sores that we haven't and how they are only he'll apply to i love in one way or another
so he's making strong arguments for the need for relationship here
and then pointing out what the responsibility of a monastic community has to be in order to help people learn that way not leaves i'm stalled static somewhere along that the journey the incorporation of the positive characteristics of the opposite sex over and want anyone that's the whole young and perspective on
man and animals on the fact that the door or on interiority according to you is your your feminine oh is your honeymoon
so what's your dream
and then the issue of heterosexuality and homosexuality which we could talk about for long time and the fact that we are on a spectrum that it's not just have one or two one side or the other side
do absolutes and that there is a healthy homosexuality
and then there's a as a pathological or are dangerous or immature homosexuality which is and i would inevitably going to bring up on problems
so the track of this is that integration of
a flesh and spirit as well as the
the lebron between we've got three levels as it were body psyche and spirit
and on the the psyche of the affections the feelings emotions of relationship
and then friendship friendship prayer
fruitfulness and fruitfulness may i have this talking about working
and created such a great emphasis on creative activities is very important because creative activities in some way transform sexual energy and it and are how it is meant to the experts very often
we don't have time even to rush through this but to run any questions on especially this before quit
the probably a thousand questions
i do like going to be treated
a yoga a good copies into the body one nine three
we use our body for version for creating the segmental kind of flesh on that cold
appreciation of money and and want the i also in different stages there's a wonderful local more than friendship and monastic community by brian patrick
the wife is the don't want to that suspicions tell yes it is from three and to developing and it is excellent one the reality of of friendship within monastic life
you know and and what's been gathered through letters of monks throughout the centuries how corbyn and an element of our friendship has been and you know then kind of their historical periods where you know the chance mr hayward and you know it's all coming crash will it just i just find out what it's
three day weekend with but it's excellent and on it's mcguire with why they're there have been there are the copycat so can we still have to experiment with a ah
it almost makes me think it's perfect for maybe today towns of humid there's about that you're saying and i wonder if not and the same way it in in the bullpen it in a whole nother way but yet and now county board and
and i just asked question
yeah
petrova good
so what we've done today is your kind of once you're gonna kind of absurdity for short time i recommended to keep this xerox okay for future reference
you may you find yourself thinking about these things from year to year
gradually a lot of the things that are in this chapter i think will become realities for the not reality is for you know but it happens along along the road
okay thank you to next friday will be an order