what have to have exactly plow through a during a session for broken disgusted and had the same thing for the short run on stability for the final personal
i'm products
heavenly father give us your spirit of us to understand that were true
we asked this investment
smarter you wanted to do obedience when you have the xerox so
has before go through the had invite questions were points for discussion as we go through
this is coming from the english benediction congregation which has its own particular issues one of them of course being educational repair the lot of schools and colleges and science so it's not the same as a trappist community that's is not quite the same as our system as are on context because of
agents were often vague
experienced and understood and in this context of active work and active educational if you notice he talks to the educational and pastoral a couple of times
so ah
we need a brother of mine
he starts out with his with his initial summary the new testament basis of obedience connection with baptism
and therefore monastic obedience is built upon christian obedience it is not an aesthetical extra but christian obedience articulated in a special way
it's interesting that
if you're in the world if you're outside the monastery to be obedient to all kinds of things especially that if you get married have children and on you have a job and you will be another time when later
and when you're in the monastery you're protected from that kind of pavilions and what you have is another kind of obedience which can seem to be an artificial even spoke a structure within which you are a begun to roll into the ever so it's very important to debt structure of obedience be a least as many meaningful as the one that was
outside
because it can be the opposite network merton points out and gonna version of live action or two articles and they're particularly that as if we have time for just wage of realignment that we've already touched one of them the identity crisis or the beautiful merchants that treatise on alienation and the now
well get to that later and the other one on replaceable begins today which is not such a major writing
and that obedience has to be seen in context of before it was isolated alone and before we can see very vertically just between you and god sakes really avid and the rule but now you see it and understand it in the context of communities so the horizontal dimension consent shall we say
horizontal that that's a distortion because really into
it's a matter of communions matter of koinonia and the sensitivity and responsiveness that point has it's called for by the living in communion it's entirely different thing from a rigid kind of constraint of will
so he's gonna talk about monastic obedience within this larger christian context and also related to personal growth rate freedom and loves us
those values which are both personal subjective and also i make command tomorrow for the you slow
the tradition now okay he says are basically three perspectives here coming first of all from cation and a master who are pretty close together and then from peckham years and basil now soon as you see cash of course you suspect an aeromedical back on a desert background for what he has to say
whereas basil and for communists are decidedly cent of medical record
and the master is somehow in between even though is legislating for us know him he's got a lot of that desert background and his thinking still and as framework of thought as devote always pointed out repeatedly okay the three perspective the first one starting on page one nine his obedience to christ the second one is
is an imitation of christ's obedience we're might better say of participation in christ's obedience and the third one is obedience within a context a community that is obedience largely to the brethren for obedience as as a kind of movement of the organism of community
obedience to christ remember it were saying that it access a we relate to christ as the master and father
hundred million a wage your war right at the beginning of under christ the true king
militants
so the abbot the ancient is crushed representative and as such the spokesman of crows and so this is the idea of the apostolic lie he had the celtic tradition which is why as obedience to the holy father
part of the catholic life because he stands in the face of peer right roadways obedience the bishop justified because the bishops are the successors of the apostles and talk whoever hears you hears me those words of jesus and amended passing out to the apostolic chain than the apostolic sand gets translated as point into the man
plastic
live which is a different thing
but that's a very strong
very strong of a equally persuasive argument especially i think at the beginning and then later on you may not find that much satisfactory and i think it's it's also a t at the beginning not only the beginning of monastic life to live for the individual but also the beginning of monastic
like for christianity in general that it's one which tends to now
take its place among the others later on
a part of it of course is that because of our baptismal know girls were born integrates so though we follow him as disciples
yet we are also participate participants and his being and snow
the other thing is that this one is conceived the monkeys looked at as somebody who isn't himself mature free enough to hear god's will innovative but as a url to your points out that something has gradually going to fade as you progress through it should if you're getting anywhere if the
work that it should become less necessary as you go along you should require less mediation of another person now this is particularly so because the inspiration ultimately is interior
that is the holy spirit of speaking to you and as you become more sensitive to the holy spirit you should be unless needed an external guides but the principal has always been them that you still need some kind of checkpoint but even the solitary i'm in the hermit who is supposed to be able to allow
listen to the spirit and are beta spirit still needs an external reference you human reference of some guy
and here as you pointed out the stresses find any objective content of god's will
and the the guide here the quality of the guy is critical secondary monastic communities imitation of christ's obedience now here he most immediate and into the idiom of sacrifice is the son who obeys the father and by sacrificial obedience readings the world so he's the example so we imitate him
and imitating him somehow we participate in his life i came out to do my own world that are will have him in the shack
john c quotes john paul and philippines and matthew twenty six not my world time we've to remember when and sector
at guess so many
so this one tends to a movie or read it immediately enter the and to the region of the passion and to that critical
no crucial time of obedience for jesus
the emphasis is not so much i'm discernment of the will of god as if it were an external object expect be but on the interior disposition and the interior unity with christ
so it's not on a vertical sense but also horizontal false going are being a brethren regarding all the circumstances of his life of occasions for abandoning sub to the others worth
the stresses on the subject of dispositions of the shape
when he points out in cash and about an unreasonable obedience business time

then the third one is quite different because it's in the context of community life itself and its basic values at kind of me as at communion
the monks imitate christ houses precisely or to self empty philippians we had the same
court referred to the for philippians two a in the second my vision of obedience school
the monks gonna take grace can also southern to precisely by their mutual love and service
and this you get this from paul climate good time for matter of fact if you look up her passage in philippians two you'll find it before the oft repeated liturgical as and a christ being a crime to god given humbled himself in shot before that you've got this
injunction to a mutual love and service for for others yourself so it's really about community the talking about his life and community but when you moved to what is the first six that and which we usually call we usually don't call it the first quarter when you go to verse six and you forget that and it seems purely vertical but it's not too
about community actually have shown plenty
as paul translates it into present right
he added seen as a unit of center of the brotherhood rather than being above it in a pyramid image
and then he compared to three
hey can be left behind be and speak not
and he says as much get more educated for a farm insurance from program and of a becomes less important and dnc become predominant any questions or merchant or any other are there any alternative images of obedience insurgent pickup
and beauty can last on a becomes disappoint be agreement b and c remain
some obedience to christ becomes less important
the image of obedience to christ okay now in this sense that the avid is taking the place of grace okay this is a not obedience to courage that doesn't make him less important for we're talking about monastic obedience where you're obeying a superior right just check to see the superior as the image of christ and your obedience
to the superior being obedience to christ becomes less important
in proportion to the others and especially in this particular sense of the superior helping you to discern god's work okay and that comes over the way down from cash in the master
because that discernment becomes more and more something and you're able to do yourself the fact is also that you may have a spiritual father besides a superior will help prevent
i just got like about the and itself how they eat talk about the importance of of a month relationship to the community and situations in which yes says to me a lot about contraception worm net saw how will the contraception in attractive in gosh
it's important than to see obedience with him in a context i think what a person congenital monastery especially say he's experienced a dramatic conversion something like that to remember in the mission than the fellow tourists the the armor of the mountain and so now there isn't a person i feel if he's experienced dramatic conversion
a that he needs to be broken and not that he needs some want to just say violent
means a job to change his will transform himself to step out of the always and enter the noise and then at first model my via maybe especially attractive and they want somebody to and you may want to say abandoned his own world it's it's it's a purely between him and god and you want somebody to stand in there and give him
let's say hard things or help tell him what god's well is because it doesn't feel able to discriminate and that's quite quite reasonable
but later on
the context becomes more important the context in times of community and also a fact of identification with christ the participative quality this it becomes less isolated this an individual thing so less an individual thing in two ways by participation in christ so that you see yourself as obeying the for
other somehow encouraged member were called talks about filling up in his own flesh the sufferings of christ for body which isn't church that kind of participation but the body has a student mentioned your the body of christ therefore you somehow compliment christ's obedience christ's work christ's suffering but your
also part of the body in the horizontal sense in which your obedience is within the context of community but in both cases the the individual shell has been broken in some way and you're looking at it now in a context
so it's not you don't need this is sometimes mechanical external sort of piston of the of the habit of this mediation of god's will it and when somebody said it when you do this you've gotta get those historic guidelines with you
don't matter of moving into context a lot of a lot of the advance of attic and to i think has been a considering of things in context and a freedom to consider them in context rather than in isolation this is true with respect to the seconds the a christian shot
no longer that over focusing crunched on sunday on the species and on the exact words of consecration so on but considering the whole context which takes real
s not to overcome a superior to be you know
yeah with the securities billy into power we can be really dangerous because you know yeah he won't hear this little nuts right now chris the old days i was encouraged and certain i'm in the abbot was encouraged to be a kind of steamroller i think and to weigh a hundred tons and the stories of the old habits and how how have you
they could be and so on and as a kind of a kind of the u s marines gusto and and joy and boy did we ever happened
officials to vicious to know
and because that crushes people and people may be saying telling stories about what a wonderful heavy was he was so strong and on you should hurt and ball out science or something like that but meanwhile people's lives are being extinguished and lives are pitifully being being crushed and and confined and minimized and before this is idol
this mount sinai of an inhabit
so there was a lot of that in a trappist condition can hear about the ruffle have a ticket seventy
okay personal aspects of obedience as a personal relationship with god and union was crushed
so here is taking up be isn't he
hand it as if he goes for either way to the issue of the passion of jesus the suffering of jesus and as if that comes back and defines his whole his whole life
i always think of those words that the son of man has common not to be a servant to give his life as around some because i was serving and the getting up the life are in continuity so that the serving as already the giving up on site and the giving of his life man and his death his own lady i would just say that the concert
nation of what he's been doing all along
and this in horizontal terms
and based on the first global underneath of course is really doing that and corresponding with the fathers will he talked again about philippians two five to eleven
and not about the vs that come before it which i'd invite you to read which are about community
is it although he was in the form of god or because he was on the park i'm inclined to as the first one to tell you the truth
because i don't think it makes good sense if you said because he was in the form of it's the form of goods on how which is contrasted with his humility which is his empty
however the
the assertion is a strong one and this is good for reflection
god likeness and divine sonship when translated into terms of him and living and dying find their only possible expression in total obedience
god likeness and divine sonship on translated into terms at him and living and dying on their only possible expression and total obedience
i think what we say that
i think there's another side to that
the other side to it if something like freedom or something like love okay if you only say obedience their you're not saying enough
and then when you say total obedience you cannot make almost everything i mean you can obey clock you can obey buddy and scooter if you want to the weekend so the great question there is what are the obeying exactly what does this mean
sometimes people come in the monastery of such a dispositions of such a willingness to obey that almost they have to be as to stop short i think can find out which inside that's what martin writes about when you weren't quite sure about immaturity and authenticity and over control
that
that's very good to want to give you a real away to want to give yourself away publica that you don't do it before you've gotta that it's think you don't give away which you haven't got or that you're giving it away is really a desire not to have it at all and other words because it's easier to obey that it is to have a will that it is to know
who you are but it is to have an in convictions or make any decision
that's was the whole process of women yeah right it's a substitute an alternative for life now a lot of people who given a monastic like not as life but as an alternative to like because life is too scary or because i've gotten hurt and living and beginning to live
and i think there's probably some of that and almost all especially if we come in well not necessarily just here
there's some you think about not that it invalidates the vocation but it's got to be dealt with sooner or later because otherwise we find ourselves continually taking a weaker alternatives making weaker decisions and following a line of our characters feathers than the line of our courage which has not a good
we're getting up are courage to do something difficult
and not being fully conscious that the same time or dodging something else
he connects and obedience with with baptism downhill towards the bottom of one night extract the underlying the prologue of the master and therefore the problem with same
group there may be a post pepto-bismol catechetical sherman
next monastic have been a very closely to pascoe pepto-bismol obedience
the idea that baptism has given you this ability to walk in the ways of god and for the your life as a return actually to the paradise the innocence which given there

top of money for the amount of experience is not in the first place and executive agreements i mean for getting something done that's where from excels in stuff because he loves to lampoon native monastery which is the sanctifying it's much to make
she's a few tricks
another wish were obedience as has become detached from observing amongst sanctification
to become a means of some some kind of means of accomplishing the answer the institution that may be money that maybe glory make the sugar
he's got a lot of them on the pitch
the value on godlike message derived not from the end product but from the manner in which the human spirit becomes free and as conform to crash
that's the heart of monastic have been enters the much personal three humble and bug pills surrender to the world cut
and then he keeps correlating this goodness the words of saint benedict
and then he started showing a rather difficult difficulties and they come up to that end the theory but in practice and the concrete business of living and especially when you get to the point he defines two levels of obedience your one is reasonable that's all you can be almost instinctive natural automatic
that is the obedience to a situation in obedience to conforming to what's needed in life etc kind of elementary which technically essential we have to learn if we don't always want to be losers if we don't always go how to be bucking the stream flow of life
that's an obedience which verifies itself in the sense that something goes dreadfully wrong if you don't
then there's a supernatural obedience where it's not rational it's not obvious it's not necessary doesn't seem natural and you really have to struggle while of a sudden you're up against an unexpected wall is there's a block in your pet
so it's the boundary line between us to where you're call to move from one to the other
che from the everyday burden of obedient which you become even unaware of after a while because it becomes habitual and because you do these things why not do listening
and then the exceptional thing
which can come from several directions
the monk spirit of obedience need in no way be eroded by the fact that he can appreciate the reason for a course of action required of
the abbott should be willing to give reasons when it can maximizing of information generally promotes charitable community life an adult of obedience
yeah you're so many complaints about the lack of that not only in much much in the monastery not this one anyway because robert is extremely good about that but even an parish life in another situation to her father just doesn't say anything you make sure the decision that shelf nobody ever knows why is
when department you know university departments and shown that way of the way wave presiding
a harmony between faith and reason
another way in which that smooth as run you you just trust the habit because you know it makes good decisions and that he's got your own
best interests or those are the community at are rather than his own agenda
but the element of change of that's where there are these times one
the and rises up before you
iraq is not as to practice blind obedience from unreasonable obedience that are deliberately this arises from the circumstances not from some sly rouge on the part of the and imagine smiling smiling mischievous been designing this snare to put around the fee
of a month this will get him
he's asked to step for a time of christ onto the plane of a ph and fade into the mystery redemptive loving obedience to jesus does where things are just black and you can doesn't make any sense it's also it's very painful it might not bother you so much of it didn't make sense except that it hurt
shade benedict anticipations in the fourth rung of the letter of humility meeting in this obedience with difficulties and contradictions and even injustice
contrast touch you that sadness shared name
ah
okay with sadness
it is a major obstacle for st benedict so anything member where the seller has to dispose things so that nobody will be said shut up
that means that the heart somehow cloud shadow has come over the heart and so the monastic thing isn't working at that point
a vow of obedience

interesting how he connects us with the body
that quote from the you have prepared a body for me i come to do you will get mommy i love that passage
that's from hebrew adjustment and indirectly from the shot
christ human body was the means of communication with men on earth and when glorified it became this verse from which the spirit should could be given to her now of course obedience has to do with the body to
and the vow is a public that his bodily witness to this determination
challenge and i wondered like comes from army when he coached them it's not something you'd ordinarily think of
monday personal or individual and communal aspect usage
her trailers that monastic view its employs both are highly personal asceticism of surrender to god and love and humility
the vertical dimension and also the experience of transfigured human relationships
emergencies are love trust and commitment natural transition to the next question section about obedience and community like
and then in that first paragraph of the next section he's got a string of different objects of of obedience to god the creator to the gospel to his monastic vocation to the habit to the brethren to the rule and the constitution which her
supposed to particularly the covenant between himself god and the brother
and he says not to isolate any of these elements
if the abbott and the place of obedience are paramount it's that within monastic life within the context
conflicts
coming out this issue of the crisis of obedience from another angle now the abbot can have the duties and right to insist on obedience even a minor thing if he says the monks difficulty as being self will on the other hand once in well it happens in a mock has a duty to follow his own conscience
even if this leads to conflict with the habit of the community
not with these things happen very often but when they do at major events in life
a good tradition
so he's talking obviously from personal experience about the kind of atmosphere there isn't a monastery and a way that things are done and they used to avoid you say the fabric the atmosphere the climate of relationships and interactions between inhabitant the commander
on one side you got obedience and on the other side you got initiative a responsibility and a particular job for instance and he may very well be thinking of the of the school context
monastery at school
to speak the truth in love
either one can be too timid five innocent irresponsibility which seems like obedience obedience submissiveness or an irresponsible women to speak correct
as if there were no superior as if nothing they'd be respected as if by word the prophet
we're talking about the relation between obedience and the other commitments the other gods stability
conversion
number is considered congress such kamara to the equivalent to conversion
and then the individual has picked
personal responsibility and deforming of one's conscience not just doing on his toll
even asking permission of requires personal responsibility a sense of responsibility has something i think that's pointed out by our constitution that when you ask permission for something you should first really
thinking yourself reflecting yourself as to whether you should just because the superior gives you permission doesn't mention you should do it doesn't mean you can have it
and it's a matter of conscience before a of permission
there are multiplied individual fidelity's or this kind of strong tradition of material gain interest conduct
the rural and added
he can the person of the abbot with the person of christ and the rule with the gospel
and of course those are delicate and an application turkey delicate they have to be weighed and not apply in a monolithic way
the title hours in the rural this type of father and luggage and he loves this much that serves them in such a way to promote hair growth and to maturity and monastic like
that's a great great issues the habits promoting the growth of the much to maturity and not simply keeping them in mind not simply making sure that are no waves nobody writes opponent the community the community because i'm i'm supposedly smoothness sometimes has to be sacrificed to this grill
yeah me to did you study the needs gifts integration of each month shade it just gonna put of course the six century is one thing in the twentieth century or something else so that goes from the age of psychology psychological erasure individual that becomes a much bigger issue for was in st benedict's extent more cause for different so
sensitivities and obedience to the president now this is largely the new issue i think in our time and it corresponds to that vision she remember that we looked at before
and chain benedict has a chapter on it which is quite unusual and monastic rule is rather nasty bruise

so the have himself as to be obedient to the will of god for the community and actually the structure of chapters and things is set up so that sometimes he has to be obedient to the community that is to a delivered to go to the commit the chapter
and himself as is an instrument other community is elected by the community
readers to the community fundamentally a matter of cherry
involves a love of persons rather than a love some abstract idea or ideal that's something they they have to russia with the first we have to become conscious of it were really attached to an idea rather than to the people rather than to a real community
you can be a lot of tension between the two of those as we go on to the shadow side that can happen very quickly to visit the shadow side of the community of people in it
and after decide whether we're more in love with are ideal for with the real thing
now how the ever deals with his official to incheon this is something we don't have to dwell on right now but he needs to retrieve them room for personal initiative been at the same time
they have to in some way be and continuity with him
and keep the i've been informed
concha conscience a obedience and dialogue
where dialogue is your chin like almost an invention of vatican tooth and what we're talking about here and she be so largely
a movement a transition and our time from an exclusively vertical bottom to i don't like to say vertical and horizontal model cars which happening actually is this movement to a context of communion hard to a living context it's almost like a certain point where we keep lambasting the recent past the two reasons work
because it was so easy to fall into a mechanical model mechanical vertical model so many things which is travesty of the truth is not not subtle enough and sensitive enough to be to correspond to the actuality of the church worthy or the community
a substitute a mechanical model of monastic life in the real thing
because the institutional model a purely institutional lot of usually becomes mechanical
like an internal combustion engine
a monk does not have to always conform as interior judgment to that of is secured
he's encouraged to communicate his feelings and conviction
in an appropriate forum sometimes privately to be cut to the abbot of the superior sometimes to the community sometimes to his spiritual photographs that some somalia
so dialogue between me abbott that has a and the monks
should be mutual a shared discernment actually the little drugs which may not be just one thing so it's a margin of freedom for specialty and may be have to p n he's talking more here i think of the individual dialogue with a single with the other
the same thing holds a new chapter
we shouldn't be dismayed if we're left to make up our online about something and there are several possibilities because that's how we grow
we don't have the satisfaction of knowing this is this one is absolutely the will have cut we don't have that glow
maybe something else is going on then he relates that too
he relates that to the difference between
obedience is disciplined behavior that is following line staying on the rail staying in the group
versus a more mature at the hands and the discernment of considering the will of god as a group as a single thing a single grew as a clear absolute to an obedience which it has to be one of continuing discernment and he talks about to relationships to the mystery which were talking about my
talk about obedience one which is further reduces the mystery immediately to a puzzle and to a problem which has a solution and where we go with perfect security having found that tradition haven't got the ticket somehow we we feel perfectly secure the other one were continually traveling in the mystery and therefore continually having to travel and faith
i'm an idiot who building bugs
it's not a crossword puzzle the instead of building work leaving you free to design a building and show when i checked limits
he got sacked chapter sixty eight at that point
which is the one about him possible obedience which remember
to point out however it might seem to lead in the opposite direction
now there's a new launch their is a turning up it a little corner of the vocational obedience is therefore an invitation and growth and self transcendence
st benedict's or justice and chapter sixty eight the stretching at that point however is not is not suggested by st benedict's as a kind of creative stretching to imagine other possibilities are to create something no but actually as as the yielding to some immovable necessity
if something that seems just too heavy to bear i'm not sure that the citation is act in that put
he's a of poetry and the arrow and during the strength to become a gathering out the something or and shop
you may not like to think of yourself as an arrow that's a difficult
i talked about englishmen and a contradiction in the history chance the counter reformation christian which benefited contusion had allowed to do with a counter reformed and because the english months were displaced persons in france and i had to come back and re-establish monasticism there
later on which introduced a lot of special thing about probably i jumped to do with their educational function to
tensions are bound to arise of bigotry grandeur to go to my person into up by the spirit of to be joyful even have the strict sense for the word ecstatic when ecstasy may just standing outside yourself by being on charges so there's an a mystical ecstasy which is being lifted up into god so the same pockets
a i know was in the body or outside of about them but this is the ecstasy of the world i think tank teresa reproach to something like this and which you're outside of yourself because you completely stepped out of your own preferences you're completely
stepped out of your own ego and a church and hundred and that's key part of the great good it will be a lot of it is that simply being able to step out of the capsule on the shelf
the difficulty is arbitrary that's a very sensitive issue has to wonder step out of so when you should really be there trying to trying to work from that position prove your worth
freedom and love and obedience
now here we come back to the paradox which were up to here first and be put off on that that in obedience a person becomes truly free you can say that superficially and i say it's one of those things you can say very usually and i think for instance bishops and officials and
and prelates i have preached that have pitched it into the ground saying that saying it very easily and all kinds of occasions now my good sisters obey or virus because obedience will make you free
well
what what was it that was over the gate at auschwitz
work for me yeah
arbeit macht frei
so we should remember that
because then that paradox like so many current actually the products of the crows can be just used to easily used to easily and the person who uses it may have all the interest in the world only investment in the world and obedience and no investment into on freedom okay the person who preaches that
they'd be thinking entirely of obedience and really doesn't want any freedom at all so promises or maybe not even knowing what it is to talk about freedom without even having any idea what freedom is merely because one things in such institutional turns one has been thinking and these the kgs to control it forever and ever have some people have to be
careful how they use it as to be proven but i'm sure that you had experiences of times when you seem to be confronting an absolute impact you know and then any absolute impact you to discover your freedom you can be lifted he goes through a dark time goes through a pit and your lifted to another level that you do
didn't know until them
he discovered decrease of degrees of freedom and levels of being that you aren't aware of until you've put into that fix such a little passion and resurrection we have those in our lives and obedience of course the idea is here that obedience is precisely that which puts you in that position of they need an immovable object in
that's chapter sixty edge at magic school but we gotta be very every i use that to easily and people can be be crushed by that kind of
that kind of belief that kind of it becomes a new ideology
a man becomes truly for you you a find an exception his true identity his son of god and experiences this relationship in obedience
and the census discovering your life business because you're like a certain limits and within those limits of your life one of them the big dorothy and the debt
years you've got to discover freedom you've got to discover love that those limits be a nightmare gonna die
does it is a rope around the stadium in some way this is boundaries now the boundaries or relative in one way and are all kinds of boundaries that are illusory
hey the boundaries that the shackles that was in which branch everyday or really largely illusory just because we don't have the courage to shake them off for the imagination but there are limits to in and we have to discover the illimitable depth and height of our life within those limits
smoke it's a very paradoxical game
my freedom is not an absolute isolated from anything else but has given to us to make possible relationship of love
but truly the children of god revealed are paid up to god who created it and thereby kind of
remember the back of that i think is it is the image of genesis from it took a trip from the tree remember so is taking that taking our freedom and separating themselves from gonna with our job i personally managed to return by the labour of obedience
to restore that freedom to god but it's very delicate i really wish to god we can't just put it in a box by a ribbon around it and put it on god's terrestrial think the freedom is going to be taken we can't given all and we'd like to we'd like to jump over the cliff of obedience have it over with
dash ourselves on the of obedience far below and we can't do it it's gotta be taken away and we have to know the discernment of when when it's proper to plunge like that and when we should be a remaining in our own and are on place in our on self in our own convictions neuron freedom
i was sure it has to tell us
obedience is one of the great forms of giving an nasty credit
the outline of the spread of music vision of a new heart transforming recreate of action of at the deepest springs of our freedom
only god can touch us there
and then he concludes for those two
stellar parts of the real shame benedict where the narrow way turns into the broadway and that which we bear maybe with a good deal of pain and road becomes delightful okay and that's the end of chapter seven on humility and the end of the problem remember running with inexpressible for life and
we have good
unfortunately i just it again
prp nineteen eighty transformation of coburg i think i'm upset
with hearts trip overflowing with the inexpressible delight of rug that seems to me to be an interview
doesn't snow hearts enlarged heart he expanded part
because i do a out according to your heart gets bigger and that's a that's a violent image it's in the prologue verse forty nine as we progress in this way of life and the face which are run on the path of god's commandments our hearts overflowing with the inexpressible the light of but that's like a know
american bible translation
to the image of
which is that to the doctor corday expanded her
and i should have a first of was referred to these treatments of disobedience and the room and in the constitution which are now and just a minute
and the rule we have a chapter five on obedience which we studied
obediently
another chapter sixty eight and on obedience and impossible situations

assignment of impossible tests to a brother

so you might want to read through those too short short chapters none of the come out these concentrations i shall read a couple of paragraphs
the first is a chapter to number twenty seven
we believe that the prior assumes the role of christ and the monastery and according to st benedict the prior is going to be a father teacher and guide for the much those words were were worked on the result of a lot of discussion and work
father teacher and guide to guarantee and say that they're sincere openness to the voices a spirit of as individuals and as a community
and then number thirty one
chapter
so that's the part about the prior and this is the part about the bunks their response to this role of the products the monks or to show that they recognize the priors mission and a spirit of faith by offering him for conscientious and responsible obedient as is fitting for those who enjoy the freedom of the children of good
like the lord who came to do the will of the father become obedient unto death that's our be number
but two months offer themselves to god but especially with the image of sacrifice their participation know him and jesus much death but the months after themselves to go by their obedience is a living sacrifice holy and acceptable to god that true spiritual worship it's very heavily loaded with biblical phraseology their biblical
metaphors living sacrifice true spiritual worship
and then the fraternal dialogue which is appended as the last part of
where do you want to buy a life of paternal dialect which reflects on how to convenient three divine persons with the much like every effort to preserve the unity which has its spirit as its origin and peace as a spinal cord chess
look any further issues or questions for we
move from obedience to poverty get and actually in a way i think it's good because what you're getting in the beginning i think it's very good to to be drawn by that because you have drawn by the courts thank you yeah i've got to give myself to there's the only real are we to give myself to this routine let us share this structure is pradesh through a belief
like that but the probability is that i've never gone to experience which interested experience in fact i may never experience our diana any of it you know that his life and simply may not hold the as mystical conducted experiences running so i'll have to face that sooner or later i shouldn't face it as as as a sentence that is that it
can't happen at any time but they can be a real a their which is is low this tricky isn't shows it's a little bit
the protocol deceptive
the same thing as tourists in china garage instead of fighting these asceticism enunciation you know that i'll you filled and back the presumption it's almost and i'm already different things that i'm overflowing with these delights contemplative graces and that therefore it i just renounce everything and your bigger and bigger even though i go to hell anyway
but does that's not the is not experienced people with some exceptions people are simply not feel that way with to find favorite contemplative
there is a deceptive sitting there time it's necessary to consider the whole mess of the religious by of on visitor can a different management life and and distinguish it from the actuality which we experience today we can always say okay we're not doing it right okay we're not from enough were not obedient enough we don't have enough faith nevertheless
weimar to experience is not much use she in the works are and tradition where she would say most of my knowledge or experience you know was it the pair of the mean are only i can see how for instance most of the analysis could be experiencing the current quiet
i'm happy i'm that so there's a real a real illusion when i said it was in some way necessary and justified i think that a guy grabs isn't that in the honeymooners is part of and not and that promise when that belief as part of the from initial experience
but we have to or we just say become disillusioned from it he'd become weaned from it and realize that probably that snuck onto the experience you know
and here there are exceptions
but the is a part of it maybe that
that especially we have to drop sooner or later because the idea that just by doing these particular things i'm going to be a realized person even if that thing be scrupulous obedience that by obeying or by doing the rule you know and all these things i'm going to be transport because it's not true
there has to be something inside that it's really a rising into consciousness it's really changing and filling a real inner transformation and it and it's not just the what we say the experiences the contemplative experiences the image information
it's a subtle thing
but just doing anything in particular is not going to make it
anything else we should talk about before we
before we punishment
it seems like the notes aren't i
you break the out of that model you know that that with the institutional to church says he's grown into a divorce and and to get to that other point it especially gallery for so long
and then to realize that there's something more
and that there is a whole interior interior realization
and that the demonisation happens through the interior transformation rather than just with the church of institution worked in the white sand and hard to break out of
you know and i think of a comment you made that that we can retreat you know that it's church and st would preach these things are they were in one sense preacher zakir assistance
i get that to become need the church that have been well we we do
but that doesn't always miss thirty two that freedom and further transformation and that stretching openness
no and also come worth even if
even if the church didn't preach herself out of existence that particular preacher
is his preaching something beyond himself he's preaching himself out of existence and ascension because he's breaching something it doesn't have the way through it is nowadays which is very difficult and so naturally that the preachers gonna go back to the security of his own think the thing that is was given to him and the
seminarian and he's built into and where kind of status and this and that and that will be sort of the underbed minutes it works because here i am i part of it now it works but we find have a dozen and you got the people inside who often don't get anywhere i graduated elena and side the outside who had rejected the churches for that reason
so how can a church how can a monastery the a place the real stimulation of this interiors and which is so fugitive and so difficult to put your hands on this mystery yeah that was a good word to use today
that if the mystery
you they want and yet the there should be some way of a summary of nudging the person in our off the robusto that they asked the track where is wasting his time onto the back or something happened
it's much more a mystery that rates but and there was so much security and that image of a you for and in a way i think i think it's good for that that gibraltar image to be there at one point a certain point but then it has to collapse it as to decompose and occurs
is left in that desert where something has to come out of themselves
okay clearly to the father to the sound of to the holy spirit
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