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Camaldolese History Class. Conference #1 (Dec 7, 1983) & Conference #2 (Dec 14, 1983)


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this morning i just want to begin with some general thoughts about history in what history mean you might come ask yourselves the question what does history mean to need
and another question which i as it can be provocative question which doesn't necessarily imply yes but to is to suggest that there is a problem a special from for us today here and i'm thinking that if are we living and had in the first not historical page
you see the the the the paradox from the very started and we say age you know we say period we we obviously are are putting in time and yet does not historical
problem for on in this country and bit more than but in general modern man perhaps because of the destructive nature and recent wars are just the kind of wood and i live in the face of the earth and tend to obliterate
large areas
who better in cities and population like a the please come close because i mean if it makes me feel
nervous hitmen
and know if i'm projecting my voice now but anyway the the problem of of history as a special problem for us i think here in the united states we have this idea you know that everything began with up or that anything that comes before us is is it not useful oppressor
it but i'd like to suggest perhaps a it kind of a cool on a kind of the a kind of the m
maxim that that might help us to to get out of the impasse and it's this it is only by knowing the past that we are freed from slavery to the present
well that might surprise of the idea of the presenters as a kind of a slavery the now now generation will be the now generation
and we're living in
and yet i'm really convinced that that knowledge of the past is a way to freedom but our our culture western and general but specifically american i think it doesn't really say this but it may be makes us tend to feel unconsciously
lee or to or to think just on the bottom line of consciousness that the past it would would enslave us if we in the past i'll have to slavery know we begin with the revolution
and actually the united states history the united states can be seen as a series of revolutions your kind of continuous revolution think of the civil war think what that on think of the whole industrialization process
think of the way city there are building torn down and rebuilt and torn down again
you don't find any buildings that are there are older than twenty years almost
and then you find a pony the pony and he you know the building the like theme parks in disney world for sorts of things you know they look like the middle ages so that look like the of that
and there and they're there they are paper machinery they're they're here that thin
we want to feel something beyond our immediate yesterday and yet were very hesitant before this
but since this is mainly just a kind of an unconscious problem
ah it's enough just to be aware you know that that that that there will be this kind of of difficulty and then then we should just go ahead and and see what we can get out of our own particular pass were talking about commodities history that this is
maybe may be wrong to say because
where we're looking at ah
an historical phase of what is in some ways and met i met a historical reality history isn't everything
i'm not saying another that there's the only reality is history but there's only flow that money process
monasticism in a way that nasty person you know this is in a way a sign of of transcending history and attending the flux this universal archetype of the monastic
and ah we're called really to represent this and in a certain way but we we don't arrive at this except through connection with the with some kind of lineage
now there's really no separate commodities monastic history there's monastic history and the western church and the kemal believe
our our our part of it
and this will be something that that i will try to bring out as we continue to to examine on
certain well early sources and and other things
i can't really give you much of a bibliography because
ah we don't yet have a book about
and i'm i'm working on something like that maybe maybe the the given take here among us will in fact if not maybe but certainly it will be very helpful and this translating and retranslating revising translations of have two basic sources the live of the five brothers and the life of state rondell
i always mention them in this order this is a this is a matter of a of
that this is the historie you know that the the methodology of history that tells me that that not only are they in this order in time but this order in their usefulness for answering what is our own particular preoccupation and that is the meaning of the person of st wrong with within his his own historical context
and and on how he really blends with with his background on how he emerges from
and the live with five brothers is is ah
comes first and serves as a basic controlling point of reference for reading this other document which is later generation later and which has another character characteristic as as a literary work and that is the life of st rami old by saint peter damian there may be more
information might think they're more facts about romney of obviously in a life which is to a dedicated him alone but on the other hand ah for our way of understanding are investigating are inquiring into into the past the life and five brothers is extremely important so i kind of shift the emphasis there but i do so big
cause that's that's the way we read history today now talking about the inquiry the word history the word history speaking of bibliography
for something general about history i'm finding this very useful i haven't gotten through it yet but are women who is one of the great catholic historians of our time and this book the meaning of history published by palm publishers montreal
is i'm sure we have a from the library is is a very excellent book
about about history from the man put in the historian and it's especially useful because he's a man of a real faith and ah
he's a specialist of course in in in might call the christian century
well anyway
he says the word history of course comes from the greek historia or it's truly is his story which means inquiry you inquiring into investigating
but specifically with reference to events that took place in the past morrow's definitions is it's very succinct history his knowledge of man's past now this is history as discourses and thing we do where we say are we right where we know that this other's sense of history will take that in effect that we have one
word in english for two things we're talking about history as the the knowledge of
human a man's past the path of human being on the human race the human human family there's the other meaning which is the past that sell the human pack
that was to play
but first of all let us talk about history as knowledge
and morrow's emphasis is interesting because most other definitions talk about history is the written narrative of past events or history is the study of the path
marin's making it broader but also interior rising it
he places an emphasis here on consciousness on awareness
and here i i i would like to play on the word history
if you take this emphasis you have to say that history is not only his story for the third person someone else it is my story your story my store
see the emphasis there it's on the interior renovation of the story
and by the way story is also another word derived from the same greek
so rude and really from the same work
and perhaps we should today become less
less are insistent upon the distinction between writing history and writing a story
let me put this in parenthesis and say that perhaps in future ages a historians of the civil war take that as an example historians of the civil war will place will make great use of a book like gone with the when so called historical novel well of course scarlett o'hara and rhett butler net
over visible but on the contrary perhaps we we will know something about the civil war better through seeing the movie or reading novel then plowing through the dusty tomes
and in the way we're also helped by referring to that kind of model that kind of writing when we do read medieval a geography because in some way they are like historical novel
of course the ground and did it that much more than scarlett o'hara but then the way he has presented especially by st peter damian ah as more as as is a symbol or a sign or rather as a project for the future not so much of the as the a narrative of what really took place
but anyway it's important i think what a mom who says about history as knowledge this interior isation of the past now it's a history of a man's past it uses not inclusive language but we would say been on the past of human persons are maroon system this is not only
the hit the past of of society
because the the the life of of of each person is history too
and precisely because we're not making it only his story but also my story or the the the attention to to also individual persons and not necessarily what thomas carlyle called the great men not only the big dig it
but just someone very very ah unimportant
yet had his life or her life
and we can know that time here's a good time by entering into that person's life so we can talk about society and talk about groups and talk about great individuals but we also need to be aware that history involves the the inner lives of internet now it's also a knowledge of of the human past and not
just the facts not just of the events of things that happen because history also is a knowledge of past ideas
you can have a history of symbol
a history of artist is is is is is doesn't deal with facts it deals with with with the things like beauty and harmony and so forth
now knowledge of in the classical all the classical definitions involves participation
so history his knowledge of of the human past ah means also history is a participation
in in the past
that he you might have heard of the of the saying of the
philosophers santa yana he who is ignorant of the past is doomed to repeat it and that's also a good maxim and something like what i said at the beginning it has only by knowing the past that we are freed from our slavery to the present it's good to know you know the mistakes of people who've gone before me so i won't repeat them
or if i learned from the past they won't set about reinventing the wheel or something like that but there isn't a good sense of repeating the past if knowledge of of the human past is also participation in it and there's something good about repeating it now of chris we cannot repeat it exactly as it was the can even
know what exactly as it was not the nineteenth century philosophers of history and historians are emphasized the the objectivity of historical research perhaps in been up to defend themselves against fanatical five objects objectives from natural sciences when so they they were all all concerned with what is the wrong keys
a praise expression your v as i can really good days and has a really happened but you can't you can't you can reach that you can't get get back there there's no time machine
there's no way you can you can even turn your tv set to the tune in on the another on the tenth century
yeah it's always it's always in another mode of being that you participate in in the human past
this participation than the past could be called a reenactment of past experience
maru sites media english historian collingwood as suggesting this kind of other dimension a re-enactment
ah the root of enactment and act like acting on the stage drama you might see that one way of repeating the past and the good sense
is by reliving it the way you participate in an exciting story think again about gone with the wind
you go see this great movie you know and you're there and you're excited by it and i think we should learn to feel that
if i don't give you this i have to apologize beat my press because i i'm turned on by this you know by this history of and i'm study i'm really excited by and i hope we can all become enthused about it and relive it in this way
there's another way that we repeat the past in the good set or relax past experience not as by renewing a value or by performing some kind of action as it was done in the past but i use the latin phrase mutatis mutandis
changing those things that have to be changed we're not there back then were here how but here's a kind of quiz i saw sacramental way of repeating the path what we do that you could i mean that that that is they the prime example of how we reenact of past experience that we're not back there and the cynical the map
he is not the last supper not only ritually but but also there's something that something very important in the fact that it's not exactly the same thing
it looks very different
we have a different attitude than the apostles head around the table there for one thing we we we we stand and seven they they were lying down the first mass was celebrated running back
but still it was it is a real living of it's a reenactment of something that that was passed but he's not totally past and something that the that comes into a new mode of being in the present
but of course this is this is something very special is a sacrament but if you're kind of extend this by analogy you can find many other things that we do just the fact for instance that we live in a monastic anything now we don't say the same songs we don't think in the same language seem to think well i don't do lot of the things that we don't do the way they did it the way to even the way they did it
twenty years ago and awful
same schedule anything like that but still we are read living a re-enacting in some way this a similar action and were in communion through that were in contact with a path the path comes alive in our midst when we do that when we commemorate that and also whenever we
renew a value
even in another form and another form of expression
perhaps especially in another form of expression
oh the value of monasticism itself can be renewed of course in in in a morgue and the blizzard monastic like ah
the life such as we live here but it can be renewed all so for instance in a completely different style married people that something like that they can renew the money the volume and that are part of the the minutes
that's a corresponding parts thesis but it's it's it's true it's true they simply true
now anyway this is the one this is one meaning of of of history
some people have complained about the fact that that that in english we only have it's one word history and it means more than one thing and the the german speaking peoples are lucky because they have been shift and history
but i don't know if the distinction is that a clear maybe you'd rather david could you explain it but i'm not worried about the the linguistics up you know it's a ah
knowledge about that which we know
the same thing as fate that faith is the act and habit of believing it's also that which we believe and odds with they has needs to dimensions they never separate they have a different different from for it can have different relationships and there's an implicit pavement specific not all of that and the scholastics really split it up and in into fine for
months but but even so history
can you know we don't need to worry about the fact that there's only one word i just realized that it's a very rich concept but we can talk about history as our knowledge our knowledge of of the path between pass our participation in are living it are re-enacting it and then we can talk about history as the flow or process
of interconnected unrepeatable of ben's on an irreversible time line is two negatives are very important
unrepeatable of and something irreversible timeline this is a new something philosophical here and something even theological or we have we come to this consciousness of an irreversible timeline through the influence of the bible and semitic thought
and yet this this ah
the concept this conception of the time line and of his historical events is something that is now known as is embraced by philosophies that have nothing to do with christianity or or perhaps are in competition with christianity at least on a certain level for instance marxism
but i think it's important you notice to keep in mind is to that these two negatives unrepeatable events
this morning's math was not a repetition of the last them in a read presentation made present again a set amid in in sacrament
side and the mysterious way
known only by a supernatural thing the reality not only of the last supper but of the cross and resurrection jesus the whole pass for mystery
but he didn't repeat it didn't repeat the cross it didn't repeat the the the last supper unrepeatable events on an irreversible timeline
ah the timeline doesn't it doesn't go bad doesn't things are not repeated things there are repetitions but they're always repetitions by analogy that never exactly the same thing that takes place
and this is this is one difficulty and in approaching the worldview for instance of of india and the farther east because they're the world view insists on the fact that it is all cyclic and that the same of and does repeat itself that we don't know how how far ahead in the future but
one day there will once again be exactly the same conference given by exactly this the same
the same people and attended and and everything will take the that that was i mean this repetition that's the kind of of banalization of course and it's kind of reducing it to the absurd and and perhaps i shouldn't do that fact i shouldn't but it just simply to say that that that it is possible to to be a perfectly sane human being
and yet not have the concept of history but we do have this concept and it's inseparable the idea of the irreversible timeline we all of us sometimes get into the fantasy or i've noticed something i've had to fight with one of my psychological hang ups and and i shared with you because we all kind of have this twenty
can you not to want to achieve don't do it over again only started again i'd probably make the same mess i'd probably make safe choices i don't i wouldn't i wouldn't end up ah
in a in any different state of life it's not like to get your problem a problem
something like that but
at least there i'm stuck but anyway well i think you're archie and i think about do it again found it could go back you know with the same you know what the benefit of hindsight and repeat all of that now changes all be so much better but wouldn't and that's impossible you can
it's an impossible pot
it's the greatest of human mind of person we can think impossible thoughts with think of as the scholastic said that a horn rabbit her hands feet or something i'm tacking it has no correspondence from reality
irreversible timeline that is the song of and maybe i'm belaboring the just you know just to play with it with the with the image
this a somebody here must remember the andrews sisters i mean i'm not the only one i hope we were he was the andrews sisters vivid for the three jewish girls you know are saying and in close harmony hundred and forty two birthdays and and with american soldiers and second rewards just love them on and good fun they had all sorts of funny songs and one
them what my favorite for the andrew sisters scientists take me back to constantinople can take me back to constantinople know you can't go back constantinople because it's istanbul not constantinople
why did constantinople get the work it's nobody's business of terms what procedures but
you can't go back to what it was before
something has happened in the meantime
the cross was taken down on the minarets would put up and a of the as museum
and then delete it has always been a dream of the greeks you know to to one day invade and replaced the cross there but it will never be the same and won't be the way it wasn't justinian time it won't be you can't go back to the way it was before
the nostalgic people i mean they're the ones who don't want history anymore
a christian cannot be nostalgic at least a christian historian must discard nostalgia a christian remembrance anonymous christian remembers the past celebrates the past should know the past
the profit from live by it and renew it re-enacted and a christian also hopes
when you get caught up in this nostalgia thing i mean i mean you get caught up in in in in fantasy land in air reality
you can never go back to the way the catholic church was before the vatican two
pope said that it's not a heresy but that's that's true of life and stroke humanity how can a man was already old go back into his mother's womb said nicotine
and he was ride you make fifth but jesus was talking about something else he was talking about a whole lot of on stage
so that the the irreversible tie unrepeatable events these debates we talk too much about events we tend to think in terms of and i'll just separate things this hat that the other thing happened a history of the real history real writing of history is not a chronicle of events you can have a chronicle of events
but this really doesn't doesn't have much meaning in it history always takes a larger view and it is always attentive to the flow to the process to the interconnections one of our problems perhaps in in understanding our own life understanding cd wrong is that we've kind of popped him out of his contexts we'd made
i'm a foreigner g he wasn't and didn't want to be
we've taken him out of the flow amount of the process and we meet him less really than what he then what it was not greater but but lesser smaller
the historians tax but it was historians task well we're all historians and ralph inquiring into were trying to know the past it was so as to re-enact is that the experience of of the men and women are living flesh and about people people who came before us and gave life to us
the historians task is not to restore or to revive or to resurrect the past the historian is rest are restored you know if you have the great art and science of restoration in in in italy italy italy's a world center of it from all in all the arts pay
gone through so for now where they can we made them a like they will remain michelangelo's pieta and only a crazy guy went up there with a hammer will not offer that the lady knows
they were able to restore it
but i'll never be the same again and they do it today i mean part of the bunch of a restorer you know is to leave little science of the of the that that break in historical continuity
if you go up a knock on the head at times distance away the a little lion they're wrong where the most broken up
put it there purposely they left a little room there and yet and yet the same effect and have and for the general viewer
there's during cannot revive the pats something with dead is dead but the dead bury their own day come follow me jesus and or you cannot reason resurrect the past you know mean that's that's disneyland and that that's a game
now what what what we need to acquire perhaps as a sense of history we need we need to have the ability i'm quoting my ruse words we need to have the built the ability to perceive with equal acuteness both the reality of the past and its remoteness
the ability to proceed with equal acuteness both the reality of the past and it's remote what does he say first of all he's saying that the the past is past
can't bring it back can't go back there
there's this distance even yesterday
even my my own personal yesterday even half an hour ago when we started it
i mean somebody can take the tape and listen to it in our humans but it's not even the same there
so the past has it is is there is something that that that that that is unapproachable about it and yet we also need to perceive as we perceive it's reality i think more definitely more concretely i would suggest the reality of the people
constitute this past it's not just a past and the the of of of cotton cause me past or or geological past know where the mountains where read the ocean was but the past of people and these were living
living breathing human beings just like her
and to have this sense of closeness to them and a fellowship with him friendship with even though we can talk to them personally but i think we we can in a way yeah i mean if the saints in heaven we were certainly we can pray to them
and there is this connection which was over and beyond i mean this is transit and beyond history and something that that takes placement in a reality which is history isn't all of reality and so there we are but we we can't be their contemporaries and yet we can be close to them because we share in the same line
oh there are few problems
a few problems in in in acquiring a sense of history or in in gaining historical knowledge one is the problem of language i think there's a special problem for americans in general because the learning a foreign languages there's not really practice to well in this country
and i've heard it said that that unless you can think in at least one language other than your own are the ones reported with your mother tongue are you can't really know
get some i don't know if that's absolutely true but and a certain sense being able to think in another language kind of breaks down certain barriers in your own mind and your own consciousness and enables you to to to accept the difference might say the remoteness of the past or the difference of of of see ronald in these times i mean he spoke a kind of of
of of declining latter
the i'm sure eventually learn to speak good latin but but hitler was kind of already the romance language that i didn't know if anyone can reconstruct what what a man in the tenth century what kind of language that a man in the tenth century ravenna would have spoken but but it's a good sound a bit like latin the bit like a cat and you wouldn't have all the endings
the woods or something
but turn it's different it's hard to connect with you read a latin texts you read a translation
m the to translate for instance the lives of my brothers translate the legacy wrong that rhetoric there i mean the words that to put the word words on into english but the effect on on the reader is is very different from the effect that had had upon the reader of the hearer in the in the tend to the of eleventh century
so it's there's a real problem of language here
but anyway if if if you know more than one language or even if you have a smattering of ignorance about some other languages it's always a great help just to remind yourself that that are and maybe you know by experience of people who speak a different line with think in a different way to real different way of thinking
what i'm in italy where when i speak italian in a way i'm a very different person is it with you it's an amazing experience it's disturbing programs i'm not as thirty better make them worse for me you know or maybe i am a little better because i'm i'm i'm fresher and more you know more than i had to become a child or to to learn another language live in on
oh to get a garden yeah i'm not saying that that makes me any better as a person that just something that that that's helped me a great deal and if you can acquire something of that are have some of that experience
chris the of rock and know it's lackawanna me but peter mayhew a study of these languages and learn to think in them and but just a little knowledge and and of another language can always know
let's see probably contrast to this to the chronicle ah always said that history is there's more to reality of in history
we are historical beams no question about we are historical beings and yet there is a dimension of our existence of our live it's human
which is beyond history
and of course our vocation is to any honest time with patients to eternity which is one of i forget what same the guston called and ten maternity something like that anyway it's of this it's it's a mysterious condition on which ah
it's not the eternity of god we participate in god's eternity
we do not cease to have our past
and yet we are bought the on the limitations which being in history of imposed upon but we can also also go beyond this these limitations here and now i said the beginning the that the monastic person corresponds to universal archetype and therefore ah is
by his or her nature in a wig beyond history but this is rooted in history same thing christianity deals with a term for eternal verities with true
god isn't can be reduced to process although this or something important to process the honest i don't know anything about as and won't ask me about it but anyway the the the concept of processes is important but anyway and we just simply and it's catholic christians we have to say you know that has bit but on the other hand i
i have this this extra grant with the michael novak and talks about non historical orthodoxy headings because i disagree with is perfect for night but anyway i disagree with this spread is i don't think catholicism can be called non historical or thoughts are i don't think there can be a real on historical orthodoxy that has also catholic
it's it's heterodoxies it's gnostic gnosticism is not history
but christianity is historical
dodd may choose but the definition for the council calcium for instance the great watershed of christian thought
no way perhaps of human thought
cannot be understood accept in it's context in that time that place
it's truth is in some way bound up with the with the meaning that the people at that time perceived
and it's because of that know that we can restate the doctor and still keep the same meaning or keep the same sense that underlies it
but then again we're also limit that we can never as you know we might say show showed to confess to it and but if our system know
ah this things but you also i don't want to get into anything else
what am i do i mean just suggest is we were going to start talking about see ronald and try to to bring him back into his bring him up for it and also bring him back into his own history
what would it be like if i just kind of of a ran through very very brief kind of sketch of the latch said random
and even two minutes i think that's all i have left and ah maybe this and i can give you some kind of of firms
maybe different hair shedding it
anyway we have the context of monasticism at the time of of st ronnie older or proceeding is a immediately preceding his time ah you can you can read the that monastic history and many different ways i'm not saying the only minds the only way but i kind
of see that this western monastic history as tending perhaps into basic direction sometimes parallel on sometimes divergent and one direction aimed at the institutionalization of monasticism and it's integration with the hierarchical clergy
on the base of basis of a more or less literal observance of the room and there's rules and benedict became to be the rule on salons and ah it was to be observed on us as it was written then there was another current i'm not saying these in the only current ways i think you know you can kind of sort things out
and the basis of a of these to the other current harked back to monasticism origins in the egyptian and palestinian deserts and emphasized various forms of the solitary life as well as missionary work among the still pagan nations with northern and eastern europe and connect this missionary would also with this other you know
harking back to the to the origins type of thing more desert solitary tank monasticism other reader will
he was not an absolute separation but anyway st romulus represented this latter tendency other words to heart back to monasticism 's origins although he was formed within the context of institutionalized monasticism that's on quotes and never repudiated it
rami old entered the abbey of santa polina in class say near his native town of ravenna
on the east coast of central italy but shortly after making his vows he left for the venetian lagoon to live as a hermit in the company of a wholly eccentric named marino
was leaving the monastery of the reasons for it at this st peter damian gives a very traditional reason it's based on other lives of other saints and it's it's a literary genre racist the monks were so lax and he tried to kill him so he had to leave
there was also something within wrong or than that did not allow him to stay too long and any one place as part of his nature and that's the kind of satan ones
but anyway he did he leave it left them on yeah monster after about three years or so and he joined up with as medina very mysterious man is very little a historically that we can say about it now well run was there and he wasn't there for too long a time when there's a few years three years maybe he
he was befriended by one of the great monastic reformers of the tenth century the catalonian habit gary gary is the catalonian where the catalonians call him what he weddings in latin and perhaps you've heard volumes have inquiries god he will call him and he was on his way back when one of his numerous trips to greece and palestine
he was a reformer lot of the reforms in italian monasticism catalonia this case involved a renewed contacts with greek monasticism not office and so forth constantinople and also pasta i mean the waves were open a the conditions were such that in the late tenth century you could you could make these trip
ips and lot of them did and there was then there was also reform of monte cassino right around that time later than than getty
when with have an abbott who had lived on mount sinai of all places and live in the in the in the abbey of st catherine on that fine but anyway there's this abbott coming through from out of returning to to his monastery and he invites romuald and marino to join him at the newly founded
abbey of st michael at i think it's pronounced something like we saw in catalonia cooks up might say in the pyrenees now it's part of french up a chain but at that time it was under the that count of barcelona catalonia
and so with a group of venetians including the doge peter or sale of the first
st romeo he was about thirty is still rather young followed abbott goody to catalonia and it was there that rom your dwelling with his companions in a cell near the abbey kind of a little satellite community knew that the abbey of st michael learn to integrate the benedictine heritage of the west with the aeromedical exterior
science characteristic of eastern christian monasticism and he was ordained a priest
the health of rome you get there it's very very important for what happened later is is founding where he obtained a kind of imbalance balance or kind of an inner inner reconciliation which of course never quite ah happened ah upside him but anyway he himself and i learn to to to be
during the two together in a very personal way which perhaps no one else is quite done since then no a romuald comes back to italy he's worried about his father whose father is an old man enters and modesty is very often they did look good to umberto i mean that something as something very a keurig pattern and
in you know an italian culture the old man you know might be a grandpa or the old bachelor on know he ends his days in a monastery and so here was a hero sarah jo was his name ah who was romulus my father who goes in the monastery but he gets restless was and stay there and there's also there's all sorts of other family
we can't pinpoint but there's more to it them that justice this old man so raw milk comes back table and this gives them the opportunity to renew his contacts with the community of started pulling out in class and where does it go to still have since inhabit but this time he goes and lives on lands belonging to the to the abbey me connect with the front of polina
then and nine ninety eight nine ninety eight reviews about forty six of this time so he's an old man i mean for the middle ages that's an old man i mean people didn't live their normal so at that time a the young german emperor out of the third comes along autumn third that nineteen years old and he has inherited the rule from
his mother they often own was from constantinople she was a great princess she was the region while he was a child and so now he's the emperor and it comes along he points romuald old abbott of classic the monastery needs needs toning up these reforming and so on you'll see urban only man and he makes him have but romney would renounce his the off
is less than a year later and he never again accepted the duties of superior never yet even though the remaining twenty eight years of his light that is from nine ninety nine to ten twenty seven when he died were filled with incessant activity as a founder and reformer monasteries and heritage's romuald set several of his disciples
as missionaries the eastern europe we all know that and he himself attempted though unsuccessfully to leave for hunger to founded monsters and advantages ah then he started kept moving about and wanted to become a missionary not the story of romulus wanderings is disconcerting for us as it was for his biographers both st ru
of where
author of the life the five brothers and see living at that time say bravo was living when he wrote the book has to somehow you know kind of excuse you seem to redeem and also doesn't i said i don't don't judge him i mean they don't judge this is as instability because it's the love for souls zeal for souls he was steadily targets impasse
yeah he couldn't couldn't endure sterility
sterile live without bearing fruit and so we always moved to pop and it's still disconcerting his personal lifestyle was not typical of the western monasticism of his time
and no one in the subsequent history of from alderley ever really attempted to imitate his example to the letter
even the missionary dimension of his reform died with the first innovation
come out to me from it's fragile and humble beginnings in the tuscan app and ions a group of five pyramids with a guest house and a support community a short distance away soon struck roots in the local church and it thus became a center of monastic and form within the benedict and mainstream
the movement initiated by ronald monastic medical missionary became less than a century later a kind of simple popular monasticism eventually absorbing most of the benedictine communities in those areas of central and northeastern italy where ronald had lived the
growth of what became the come out of these congregation was more by absorption of existing communities than by founding you can get some new communities we found a curse
it's not very much of what romulus founded really survived they're using rather small communities and some of them were purposely temper
i'm a temporary can you to even come alderley the earliest document we have ten twenty seven the europe will die a suggests that i mean the bishop yeah gives them the land for his islam
the sun on his spirit
we asked the lord to bless us
as we meditate on your wonderful works which have never ceased there is no time with not your presence there is no history which is not
made alive by your holy spirit's granted when they live our history now today in the same spirit we asked this to christ our lord
thank you brother manual for your lovely through this morning
if one has the chronology of the life of st romulus okay
i don't know how helpful it will be but maybe it was just give some framework that
what kind of a skeleton that we can try to flesh out as we go
ah last time we talked about history
i repaired at a bit too sir
outstanding catholic the of wealth with virgin instant away but to a catholic historian henri my village and his definition history as the knowledge of the human past
and say knowledge of consciousness and awareness and the emphasis that
i like to give to it is that history is not only his story that also nice story it's also something that has to do with me whereas another
person once said a touch of humor it's also her store
an exclusive record of great men now the romantic notion of history thomas carlyle and he has to talk about the great men know and we sometimes tend to to see history as identified with the the big the big wheels big guys they are the ones who make
history no one else does
and i can't accept that for any reason whatsoever i don't think of it enables to enables us really to have a true knowledge of the past as relating to our present
we isolate the great man from their times in their place and their environment and even from the the chance events of their line sometimes the real turning points of history depend on rather minor things and rather minor figures
no who sometimes erupt into the
i'd say the grandeur stage of history and then subside and disappear
a casual things that that however have a profound influence sometimes sister a purely superficial choice a superficial decision somebody makes you know can have also to repercussions we never know with positive and negative of course the as christian
we always have this hope and confidence that in the long run things worked up and all things work together for the good of those locker
so i don't believe in history as as stories about great man
i don't believe in history as dates can we have a list of dates and this chronology but you know why does everyone you don't have bad memories of the history class why does everyone hate their history teacher
because they had to memorize those names and dates and the list of pope's you know our dear professor cassius hollinger
and and so forth and that kind of history i don't believe which means probably that that wouldn't pass muster as a as an historic professional was during i don't care to be one
but i love to meditate on on the the flow of things on the flow of events and and especially because especially in in in report with where i have lived the experience for me a living in italy of living at commodity of being and in in the places the physical
localities were wrong your was
makes it all very meaning for for me although i don't know how
how much money vantage or disadvantages would be but at least it excites me to think about the life the human life human existence that that did
take place and in a certain place to have lived in there
for some length of time and to have shared perhaps some sort some of the vibrations of it so even though we need to deal with dates
the utility of having like a chronology or something is is simply to have something to remind when we forget that when was that was that in one thousand and nine or was that nine hundred seventy eight well we go back and meat and find it on when we need to know that otherwise it doesn't make a video of difference over the sequence does i mean the kind of
flow of his live in ah
the sense of the process
ah today there's a lot more attention to process a course in in all fields of thought but i mean in history that would mean attention to the psychological processes how we work something out in his mind and so far as we can know chris there's a a considerable limit to what we can know and the the exercise and psycho history of some tea
times sometimes a bit few try and sometimes people imagine that the that they know more about the the workings of a person's mind them than it actually they do anyone can
what was on the mind of jesus it's a man when he went to be baptized by john and majority think about it i mean it's it's something we today think about it's a question we posed in and of course history you know history as a as as a as a study as as an inquiry
question the historians question and different historians will ask different questions and i will ask a different question for me from what somebody else with express my question is not really important for anyone except me but it is my question and and it's a way that i i have to approach it now dates you know or or shall we say i mean how
how do we picture how do we picture the flow of history
ha i think i think we do have a lot of images that that help us can help us to understand history provide provided we realize that they're there sometimes they hinder us if we if we imagine that that are that are mental structures are identical with with reality it's like you know the saying the map
is not the territory
of europe
this is your and this the math and if it tells something about europe and it's partly true and is perfectly faux you know we have to know where with the limits of it now i put this thing on the board this is from the from this is a history of europe a major turning points okay so
they have along the side of one side of this map the latest issue of national geographic
what is it would be the november issues that november december issue
down the side here they have this graph with very a trace here on the board to give you an idea of but they have been understood
we have different periods of time and the space between them on the graph is very different
look at what here between five hundred b c and volume of data on our lord's birth of the bit more than this space from our learn to five hundred and eighty miles that
the space combine them into one thousand is less than from one of fifteen hundred
mom and fifteen hundred and sixteen hundred is almost as in fact looks like a bit more than pat on the risk is even more than two hundred and fifty years
then then it does not have items here here we have make hundreds and nineteen seventy nine eight years notice those now they met it like like a thousand years
the grid what does that mean as really what is most recent we're most where are we think of it or word and as you go back and get this world it seems to be here and that's a drop
here the centuries roll out here is greater attention is pig whereas i'm century is proceeding as period year
here thousand years my husband and a hundred years equal to two hundred fifty ah
we see that the d c five them to the ibm pc to eighty two one and and from one i hope that the bc five hundred years that is why to like you
i hope it on saw paranoid but their their creditor will be in the in the that the leading scholars are historians be there are a slight antichrist panoramic every box
minimizing the late articles that have been paired with but you find that in stories you find that and in people whom you know have a very different anti catholic bytes from taking a man like will direct well next seminary i mean he had a an axe to grind with with with his his jesuit teachers and so when
he when he started right the history of philosophy he makes it all end before augustan read begin well after thomas aquinas
all the in between all those those those centers in between our are no philosophy there were at least not nothing of of value for a modern twentieth century media western person
obviously there's a choice here obviously there's a decision about what is important what is meaningful
our the last eight years as as as meaningful as the first thousand here visit
where this is try it comes from from national geographic i don't think it has a signature another the for it or something to meet up as tapestry of history and then religious movements what's really important
but the number of attempts to director
yeah the terms the with other as here's here's a recent role from an empress of years and in christianity
ah here's here's the the middle ages who take some five that reclamation renaissance then go and then the history starts happening thinks i ever did things come sooner me i mean here here is a is a is a whole mentality as a whole vision of the world
i don't know i'm exaggerating a bit but exaggerating for the sake of argument or to help us to see what we would do why couldn't i
why couldn't i would
do you know is a the know i'm home
one thousand than the had a it
what is actually why can't why can't i take the christian centuries the bit addictive centuries as a pair of human and blow them up big am i less justified in doing that than the than the than the staff of book maybe there is a single present here for complete map right dimension but anyway whoever it was
is made up this graph
well with what right does he have to tell me that that that that that the first fifteen hundred years of of of christian history is a less important than ah
the last jedi
last night he is
oh minutes
yes yes yes knows
yes yes the that and that other words the the greater availability of documents covering recent times the in vis-a-vis documentation of later times but note that there are periods even in the middle ages or the early christian centuries which are very well don't get
minute when they were busy writing chronicles and and and and keeping their their their carthay and so forth in anda
you're right you're right naturally i'm i'm pressing a point what i'm trying to suggest as that that we all have a kind of visual image of history don't when we all kind of of picture things and we all have pigeonholes we need to because we have to organize i thought somehow for me
this period the tenth and eleventh century just aren't just ballooning out you know as i as i go into them i had that most fascinating period of time there are all sorts of analogies other than the three zeros between one thousand and two thousand and reduce your one and and the other now the history of before and after his identify with a wrong gold and
with some other figures show get it
before he was the for him and so forth but this did this period one one enlightening interesting idea mysterious at the population explosion
do you know there was a population explosion beginning around the times a romulus birth i mean really it's the graph going up as it is today naturally that but it didn't it didn't the numbers of course didn't didn't hit what we have today you know but in comparison you have you have a
an upturn of the graph of the of the curve of of of births and diminishing infant mortality and so forth
which is surprising and they really don't know why are there are some theories one thing that we do know interesting little bit of information that the climatologists have found that spending tree rings and i don't know what else what else this study that there was a period
a very very mild weather
beginning of the tenth century and on for another two hundred or more years very shh mild winters balmy son suck summers the the area of the of the the wine grape extended way up i mean into belgium british isles scandinavia i mean it was all in places that today and they couldn't
yeah and you wouldn't even dream of of a growing grapes aware that where they were able to them
the grape is gross significant it's the might say the soul of of european history and certain
anyway in vino veritas but
that was one thing that happened there were perhaps made available it wasn't there weren't wars i mean there were a lot of wars it and and and ah so people got killed for that reason but ah
perhaps also there was a medical remedies that that came through the islamic world that that enable to the survival of them have some of the less fit less fit individuals and so less
in so forth so that or or longer lives
since i've tested this point of might as well ah
get into it i won't go through all of leave
all of the historical reasoning behind this this age of st grandma's st peter damian says he lives in one hundred and twenty years st peter demons as a lot of things which don't correspond with the facts and they they're not verifiable
if we have to say that he was wrong we're not saying that he was a liar we're not saying that he was in full were simply saying that he used an approximate number in relation to the oral tradition
the upper part from which he drew the materials for his life of st rom mule written of course ah several decades after the passing of st ronald i might mention one thing the facility with which even today in tuscany they use the experience in chant and ni how hundred years
there's no ah
you are or one one of our one of our elders at to at san gregorio and the years passed him
father god dance you know when people asked him how old are you know he he was would say corny know a little century and now he was about they've he started saying there's when he was around eighty five and has they real you're doing you're getting close to hundreds and also might as well so i would circle the you know a little century and and
and so forth and so it's very easy you know that that peter damian what have asked someone
well how how long was st romulus in the in the monastery and monastic life you know how long did they do penance march dani one hundred years and in a way and i mean this is perfectly legitimate because there simply wasn't the the the concerned with precise date
some and numbers but we have this concern that so we want to know how long he lived
basically there to points and other words where do you fit the extra years because you're you're dealing with egg with the with a forty five extra years between the the actual date the the his age at death around seventy five
there there is a corroborating f for evidence from went with his relics were resumed ah in nineteen eighty the
anthropologists with physical anthropologist who studied them you know said well on so many you know is at least sixty but and then then of course they don't say you know that's the that's the the the they they always take the the youngest he could have been with that condition of his teeth and all and then that they don't say the oldest
he could have been for privately said well maybe sceptics need i
and that's when you're well that's pretty pretty evidential the other thing is that all of the extra forty five years even according to the live as rom you'll by peter damian especially as co-op corroborated or are balanced out with the life of the five brothers written when rondo was still alive by bruno care for it
and the other documents the deal with the people with whom st roch old associate like peter or sale the first doge of venice or auto the third the emperor human infant so forth
from these documents all forty five extra years have to be fit into his period between his leaving a monster of pole poorly naughty and classy and is leaving from venice to come me
so you have two options either wrong yield was near thirty not quite thirty when he left venice with money known peter sale and so forth or he was seventy one
a man of the age of seventy one could make a long trip on foot
which is what they did and partly ship i don't know exactly where that they crossed the mediterranean this we we don't know but anyway a long trip nine hundred seventy one but menino anyway that one argument you can reduce to the absurdity of of saying that iran will live the hundred and twenty years you had a whole tribe and for hep living to one hundred and twenty years because his father
obviously had to live to to over one hundred and marina had to live over one hundred everyone had to live over one hundred and or to fit in the chronology you know which is not impossible but it just doesn't it's not created probably will anyway we have asked that question once and for all st veronica was born around the year nine fifty two
i think most of the scholars preferred the slightly late nine fifty nine fifty two that period in there
i was a meditated on the fact that that nine forty nine which is very well documented that is the the deer birth of st simeon the new theologian in constantinople nothing eat and wasn't born there made by that's where he became a monk and the approximate date of birth of a bit of a good
a in and kashmir the great mystical of the hindu country schools and so you have but you have throughout the world and this is also perhaps connected with the population explosion you have a kind of a spiritual expose you have a monastic explosion and a monastic explosion that you cannot that that is doesn't go up parallel with the
curve of the of the population but shoots up weighing about and they were and muslim man it's interesting
the female monastic life with been asked by for women was not was not terribly cultivated through most of the of the period from one thousand and thirteen hundred even though man's monasteries
florist in numbers you know and numbers of monasteries and numbers of the population so when we see the expansion of of kemal it's really rather modest and you compare it with other
bigger monasteries bigger monastic combinations and so forth but as part of that phenomenon is kind of general monastic explosion population explosion so in some ways round who fits in
are there any questions about this chronology and you had a chance to look at it did you yeah
the you reference when you with your church and more important great variation
and then each record and those disney did
they kept some records i i'm not too well informed on that and detail yes person with some church records and and ah
in practice what they did their in ravenna you know which was a town and in in in decline and had a great old history great old past but the tongue was kind of crumbling i mean it was really
ah yeah
it had gone through a lot and and and so perhaps that that the life and social life is not terribly well organized and and some records were kept and of course records tend to get lost to even if they were kept they'd get into so that the sacristy would burn down or something like that may be lost maybe other who knows more about record keeping the middle ages which i know where the well
my way
char young jamie get jobs times
nowadays ten
when ordering
in the new thing
i think it's a business
they weren't yet
sometimes you know john
based on the
yeah this is the kind of
yeah i said don't as of
eileen something years or so

of is dead
not wrong
and needs a rest
yes one argument in favor of this nineteen this ten twenty seven make him contempt bacterium anywhere this ten twenty seven document one of the things is that
that we know it's authentic because the months of canal dele continually tried thereafter to eliminate the bishop from the hit from the picture and thus they they played around with the legend of mount the law count model about whom there is absolutely no doubt no information
and then then you have you have actual lies and fortress you have you have a false false testimony i'm sorry but he did it will monk and the in the in the thirteenth century i think that hundred something
where he goes into this whole thing about mile below and it it wasn't a bishop has not as no no jurisdiction over come out on the hint
because of the fact that that they're hermits
thereafter the community of it was always uncomfortable with this with this tie up with the local bishop this indicates you know that the documents is quite often you see the reasoning see how how are you how you get to one way about that authenticating a document is if it is inconvenient for for low
here so that that you know you can count what it would whatever is more difficult is more likely to be truthful and as they say and and setting texts so that that is something you know the the end of his life and the probable the year is is probably the same you know because it speaks of of blessed memory and all that
you know and june nineteenth is oral tradition and can be very very reliable oil tradition so the date of his death can be very solidly
also because pilgrimages began immediately thereafter to his tomb and so
ah he probably left the database the year was his dance moves like likely here founding of kemal billy ah tent well there was reason to push it back across ten twelve was before a bishop to to the aldo became bishop and so that was another way of saying well he wasn't one wasn't here is trapped
ah there may be some connection with with the founding date of the ground lavra the great library of metropolis which is exactly forty nine years before that and symbolic number seven seven seven weeks of years
sixty nine sixty three to ten twelve that could be but we haven't
problem with and twenty six year before sounds logical or maybe two years before anyway
the first data over these certain dates the first day is is solidly attested nine seventy eight documents what are the documents documents and venice documents of the the monastery we shot hoops or what have you wanna say ah in catalonia now near prague in southern france
so their number of corroborating documents there when we think about rami old in connection with with the ah but gadi and and peter are sale on the first and so forth we we think of him as the just as the important figure because he's he's near to us and these others while they tailed along with
them but as the other way around i mean he wasn't quite he wasn't yet wasn't yet the great fall the great former in fact he was still a learn her really st peter damian says that he does say holes mostly
and he went to he went with with gadi and steady for the priesthood very sturdy see who do they mean says that while he was there in the audi much more likely that a man
less than thirty years of age would be able to sell our study learn to read and read well enough to to to nourish his mind that a man over seventy so that's another argument in favor of the when all historian six and a couple of faithful field
do recognize any other questions about chronology
again it's a skill is why don't you see it is so mature adam schiff
because for as twenty six i mean you're still an adolescent you know it's a prolonged adolescence especially because of college education that's so of saying unemployment that's another thing that keeps them gives a man or a woman a channel now they can't get a job you're not going to feel that you're you're an adult it's a star concept of people do much
sure in other ways i think younger and become more aware of the world is more of a global consciousness in a in a five year old today the francis before i was five five years old i was vaguely aware of the second world war and nineteen forty five but i i wasn't aware of being you know this global thing because young people today you know how this sense of now
much more of since i'm sorry i cut you up
the something a briefing
he couldn't go
my stream bit older
yeah yeah
camera yeah didn't even have a chance they and isn't it's also true that they tended to hurry because people died young you've gotta get your lives were done the and up before before different you catch malaria are you catch smallpox and and so people you know
made themselves to become adults earlier and and then not really threw themselves into living because they didn't know how long you're going to have
both in a
as well know at that time yeah he was young but you're talking about nine ninety mtc you're talking about nine ninety eight see that's right are the the emperor out of the third and out of the second is the one we visit but it has more perhaps the impact on history but and chris croissant of the first out of
the great as a com auto the third and in nine eighty eight was nineteen years old romeo would have been forty six so he was old enough i mean he was already a venerable man you know forty six and then in the year nine ninety nine root of queer hurt writing and and ten hundred and three
ah is a speaks split speaks of hit him as as born era eight artes he was have a good age ah
you could either and you could take this as meaning he was seen hail but i don't see how you can now get how it can mean that it means that that he was in the primes lightings you know in physically and mentally in great vigor in spite of of having lived rather long time for men of those a those days so forty
six you know was with he was really quite vulnerable when is it that that a man begins to be called senior or st and ancient roman calculation isn't it around forty five or something that that yeah so he was already cynics in fact a chapter after where his the talks about the good age of cd rom mill he calls him senor
it was the eldest of of a group of people in group amongst their hold a nap and older than the moon of care for
brutal proof graeber probably was was about thirty at this time he was already priest and stead studied at well i learned math and was one of the chaplains of the the he was the latin rite chaplin of the emperor whose mother was greek and and he had very much the sense of you know a being
kind of universal even ecclesiastic lee and are some of that also is important for understanding wrong yields type monasticism but at all events yes
been up with i
embarrassing chris and i don't i'm not certain but no i think there was a vacancy i think there was a vacancy but there was also well it's usually spoken of as you need reform years this decadent community
now what it wasn't really so decadent it was involved in local politics especially the the feuding families of the that the that the petty in a family affairs that that the in a in a what had become rather a small town small to provincial town once great world capital now rather permit
rather backwater even literally marshy and the
a circumstances perhaps would be seen differently if we looked at them today from from our vantage point or with our mentality the user speak of it as new knowledge that very decadent therefore he was the reform but also it was a way perhaps
i say that it was an act of proprietorship of the emperor over the abbey and it was dance with political implications i would suggest that this perhaps is part of the the the whole process whereby the germanic emperors use the monastic orders as a consolidating centers
for consolidating their own dominion especially because
although the thirds predecessors didn't really have that much influence down into italy and he very much wanted to beat the roman emperor want to live in rome and that's why gotten hot water has ninety nine yeah although he died of an illness not of his wounds but he was driven out because it
because it is you want them to in thrown himself in the city rome he nodded a pull-up to that anyway so there was this and that then later on the following a especially following century the whole problem lay investiture you know the the church then you know discovers that
that this is on this is green problems and therefore their begins this this type of war and the reform of of
gregory the seventh so forth but there we are in a very different phase from from from the the time of st ron the life of simple
the same did
meet you
yes very much like that
and proprietary church on here to as i can right
they hear that
when really yeah
see nascar wasn't he roughly contemporary with my son yes in ten centuries i think anyway
he's you see what you see what he did auto he nominated a monk of the app in other words romuald a if he he made his path stability of though he didn't observe it but he was he was linked to the abbey of side of pull in our in classic when he returned from catalonia by the way and the date there is rather vague
we don't know whether he's he was therefore for maybe four years eat from four to ten years was there it see the near near the abbey of st michael
so we don't know the date that he returned when he did return ah he continued his his aeromedical experience but somewhat closer to his abbey and the land on which he set up his cells and there were some earlier your disciples at that time although he wasn't that much of a found a reformer before
or he became an avid but they were on the property of that lands owned by the monastery so he was still you know he kind of went back and and was more connected with with his monastery so it was appropriate for him to be nominated rabbit it wasn't like someone from outside and yet he had been you know he had been for our way been in a foreign
country so he was also somewhat international
and but by being apps and he'd also somewhat risen above the factions so we represented to an inability you know a very wise choice you might say in terms of of of human reason
romeo renounces

ah when when was the four in ten hundred and something ten hundred and seven the think hundred and seven it's is the date of peter david's birds now so run it was still alive but he didn't know saint realm mill person first newman's later than that because i think he was still a young man and they he'd never knew
st peter damian never knew same problem there weren't st peter damon was born in ravenna born in the same city as wrong was they didn't even know him personally never met him on didn't name entered the monastery of want avalon and ten thirty five
and which was about so it would be bad term
eight years after st romulus death
so that's the relationship of their of their ages you know that is the next generation hurt you know his the age of safe for hundreds that have children grandchildren he would be the agent of and other words st peter david was the age of of the grandchildren of st ground rules brothers you know anyway his nephews is
great benefits com
so to generation smith
ah is the chronology can where it's of hamas
it's time do we have
i want to undermine start start to talk about ronnie on
the way that perhaps fall of might might help us to take him out of the sanctuary take him out of the of the a picture frame or off the pedestal and bring him a little closer down to us not to minimize his sanctity
and his virtue and his greatness but rather to draw near to him
and and to experience a better his humanity
sometimes and i wouldn't we were talking about are holy found out that patrik saying something like that were almost a more reluctant to admit
ah his humanity than the humanity of jesus and we have a dog with it tells us that jesus was human and every sense except sand and so it grew and he grew and knowledge and wisdom as the bible says and so we accept that and then somehow we we we forget it when we come to the saints you know we think that
they were they were born with infused knowledge and the beatific vision and everything and and that they never had to even struggle course real some of them we know i mean st augustine support
and then of also you know sick peter damian does say that that up until the time at rami old enters the monastery of classic ah well he was kind of lemme a wild young man and that house and worldly about him to concerts of sin and so forth and so he
isn't converts but even so we we we imagine well he converted them that he was already what he was when he died well no i don't think it helps us a great deal it to low st romeo if we don't see that he did grow and he made a mistake so
on the way and he had his human frailties and he had a human defect which are
introduced a certain conflict into his own monastic vocation we've got to face it
and then glorify god for the great virtue that came out of dealing with something that perhaps was it a point of of of inner tension in his being a month
first of all st rotten was not a typical vocation for his time
because he was an adult he was twenty when he under the monster
and now you begin to see later we didn't see him eleven such as following century when to see the top section more and more of these conversely that both in terms of the lay brother the labourers you know it awesome terms of a men who who already agree a certain age of that monster whereas most of the locations tend to
to be rough very young and children were given to the monster the deal blocky and the rule of st benedict
ah that is also another thing that we have to consider
we today when we enter monastery almost all of us are are are over twenty one twenty two and even older of almost all of us make this a very definite personal choice often breaking away from family breaking away from from previous experience
and at same is true marriage marriage is very much an individual decision and part of them over the boeing the girl young man and woman
in the middle ages your life was decided by your family your parents know jobs
in a general way
ronald is very unusual in the fact that he breaks away from his family he does something absurd for his time in the judgment of other his contemporaries a man of twenty are grown man your way to get married and very out of nowhere guess wasn't married in secret meeting she'll fiance
there's something like that has been arranged and and then he was just biding his time to to enjoy bashing or of with them but anyway we don't know that i mean just just saying you know that would be typical ah where he breaks away from
what is typical of what is what is accepted what is what is from proper and reasonable for us it is not proper does not reasonable to take a child put him in a monastery leaving their expect expecting to to be had to be in those days it was just have to remember that
and then see exactly how untypical raw milk was he was a good versus he was a convert he had lived a different line and then on a very on impulse of the moment
the the circumstances are there is a feud between tooth two parts of the for two sides of the family
there are the room while the insanity people tend to have the same names and middle ages you fight you fight everyone is it you'll find some monasteries you look through the list of that the months everyone there that their the there are three or four names into community of one hundred so you have john peter you have leo
better benedict and that's it and they're all the say so you have to say their i'm so on so the son of zorn so the grand so so so ah romulus father was named surges and surge as his father was the romulus and and rivals the brother was named surges and services his brother has a rival so to the whole family and everyone had the same name
honey and and so there was this fight and romulus father killed him relative
fighting probably overland are petty things
and property and a house or something
romuald old takes us upon his conscience which tells us something about the man
man a very sensitive conscience conscience also a sense of profound sense of solidarity and sin
i mean he he didn't do it
and yet he feels responsible he feels that there is the burden of blood on his soul and he has to do something about them
ah what did they do with murders in the middle ages did they send the capital punishment now ah there's no life imprisonment now forty days
at life was cheap and death was cheated death was it was was easy
ah especially among the nobility
ronnie rebels against this and he takes upon himself the guilt he takes upon himself the the a situation of his own phone and he goes the monastery to spend alone
tenants repentance weeping fasting
cold nights weightless room and sleepless nights and so forth and then she from this experience is drawn into the mastic choice
ah he was a converses and perhaps we can always we can also call him a lay brother i mean needed matter as a priest because i already twenty already committed a lot of sins
ah it might help us just a kind of imagine them him perhaps in an academy which we didn't exists