July 25th, 1995, Serial No. 00278

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New Testament Class



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little found ammonium as if you can
because i didn't know how many people here
have never been passed on either because people coming and going out the first hand of yeah that means these hannah turn
denoted by h one h to and nine am and of one of a very sophisticated ancient terminology
and i've got them ten classes this page number one introductory and in syria have allowed to cover and not a whole lot of kind of do it if you want to stay the whole customer you can spend your life killing it so but it was worse less time because we had an introduction of the whole bible and nine classes and the frustration there
there's large that if you can't give to any text the attention that it deserved because the vital it's not you can read it just have to open it and you have to settle on a particular page to read a text and you can't do much of that when you take this approach for them to some of them tried to get the country text
there's a frustration and trying to treat paul in one hour are trying to trigger a given gospel in john's gospel in one out but there's a kind of absurdity and but nevertheless they can get something they don't and your rapidly sneak what the a bias of the classes
it is towards a substantial theology that is towards a kind of united theology and we'll talk about that the basic two approaches to scripture whether it be and i noticed i'm gonna feel better
like a joke about the first testament are old testament as background for the nutrisystem and to do that one hundred thirty have noticed repeated like and i wanted to ask you to read day they're gonna need that it can do constitution on the holy scriptures
especially number is fourteen and fifteen but i haven't given you a xerox public place
carstairs has been slowly killing and worker so i don't get that you an extra
in any case you can you can find it in the library there's a big volume a sort of reader's edition of the vatican two documents that's a good thing to have as a copy of the country documents by the way of iran so you can refer to them because they they've become a holy scripture with their primary texts works in our tucked
they are definitive in some way of our topic in an era in history of the church
okay a few practical things
these handouts i want to attempt to explain how i justify them all now with one at a time there's one amp which is particularly absurd and that's i want to says biblical hermeneutics as a glance text content at a glass as intended to be ironic you don't get physical hermeneutics to the glasgow
but it's just a kind of outline and it's based on the note on the local commentary
long article on hermeneutics by raymond brown and chatter schneider which is a very helpful article not easy to read and of course it's not easy to understand this next when you're reading about them because we're really reading the texts of those hermeneutic school you can't really understand with you
these are things we were passing by because my scope or purposes not to give you a background in was methods but you should not get there and sooner or later you should have some experience other you're gonna run into them anyway whenever you read a commentary contemporary commentary on scripture you'll be running into the products fruits of those that sometimes even the
workings of the
and there be a point at which you want to focus on the cover can find everything really are
we're going to be focusing more on they heard i don't think you could call exactly the traditional after meeting of scripture you'll see where it is it's an attempt to to pick up the tradition
at its finer moments and to try to buy
we are you could find a revitalized version of for today
my premise name that the tradition isabella the traditional patristic exit usage for instance the developers and complete is it possible to combine asia the gifts the advantages of the patristic largely a symbolic exegesis jesus and the a critical education ship today
well try that try to look at without being too abstract and talking too much about message because we want a couple of description about methods
so a lot of a method lot of the methodology one of those apology where i don't like lot of that will be implicit president extradition perfect on
if your practical remarks please bring along your bible to class each time for this that preferably the bible not just the new testament
now because of be using it to be a glass shelf and some reference books for the class and the same place that we have a that is in that dingy corner near the back to earth and you can then there is a light switch the joke
when you bring your flashlight
now i'm like are from one of these on there and then you put up around there and it was won by day to bug the sources of revelation
what this is about actually does a condensation if they go about companies companies works in french on patristic edge issues on the before senses of scripture particularly and the relationship with your interest in new testament the symbolic kind of introduces at the father's death
and this to give you quite a contrast because this one is ninety nine krishnan loaded with contemporary exhibitions
and is about is trying to find out with the others were doing and to make an intelligent he's probably the primary and these catholic expert on that subject
made a cardinal for its page very negative life
will take the session so that i mean everybody wants to class beverage you take they can't escape it
the one hand out you have written that some preliminary text and those are just leave for your i'm rating one hundred bills are very important paragraph long hard drive from day verma nine hundred and twenty nine
and then you have a couple of kind of savoury text from
with traditional rabbinical text from stuff
and next time i'd like to talk about the first test or the old testament and so i'd suggest that it possible you read day of erlbaum and as the constitution on scripture from vatican two chapters in a little chapters four and five
and i'll try to get the xerox experience
can make it easier

i'd like to read a couple of other texts start with
started to establish her physician before we talk about it
one of them of hebrews chapter one hundred three protects not be reading curious their prologue the product and be roads are like from the first better job and part of the prologue and pounds cash from and a prologue is intended often to set a context it's like the overture you know because it were a frames out what's the fall
open introduces you to wants to follow up for gives you a kid how to read her father and what's to follow may become very detailed and they become very complicated so the prologue tends to be simple and profound so products are very important for that reason you've got some beginnings like of letters which are polite things you know or a formal things but these prologue to theological
of things these are theological
introductions my theological cage were reading what fabric which begin get by giving you the general view before your focus on that particular that they can be extremely important that's especially obvious with yonge bullet to prologue to john's gospel which you might think has nothing to do with the rest of the gas plants i'm right but it's it's somehow the key for reading understanding and some
summing up john's gospel of extremely awkward it tells you what the of really interested in before the loses himself and those of zero onto the particulars of the story
the first one answer he wrote
one funded free which you heard many times but it's it's got a marvelous power to
and many and various versions areas of the a museum recipe without attention to increase your language be the reason being that
i don't want to have to take the trouble of do that kind of broken field running with it i've seen election area that somebody's gotta got so many changes and they tried to read some of gospel but not because i'm against inclusive language but because i want be as close to the the greek is close to the original as i can we do this
and many and various ways god spoke about to our fathers by the profits but in these last days he has spoken to us by a son whom he appointed the air of all things through him also he created the world and you're getting some enormous statements there show i mean this introduction of who jesus is
is is tremendous
he is a culminating revelation of god and through him the world was created
you don't expect to find this in a letter the hebrews but there is right at the edge and find the beginning he reflects the glory of god and very there's the very stamp of this nature that refers to i think is a sirach or the book of wisdom
and the old testament were talks about so fear
upholding the universe by his word of power when he had made purification for sends you sat down at the right hand of her majesty on high and they become as much superior to angels just the name is obtained more excellent than their it's a strange story because you start out with this one who is
somehow absolute who has within it the fullness of god it appears there's the expression of god and then who has to go through a kind of journey who has to and some way turn or how should we say earned merit and beige to attain what he already had in some way the strange story the strange kind of
parabolic story of the word
but the point i wanted to make is that
god has spoken to many ways and then he speaks to in one way and the one way that he speaks to us is in his son who is also the word according to john now that's the whole of revelation in some way and in some way it's intended to contain and be equivalent to the whole of the bible
but it's also jesus christ
and it becomes concentrated somehow it becomes transparent at its core and in its fullness in the new testament
there between the first testament of the second question and the first testament is a multiple is very god spoke in many ways through or to our fathers to the product and through the other biblical writers but now he has spoken once and definitively
now that can be there can be a shadow of that statement if you think that everything is all over because many more action and in our history there isn't any more dynamism i don't want a dog at the shadow know just about that culminating single and and efficiently simple revelation of god in christ so that the new testaments i'm having one
thing and and saying one thing even though it's a narrative it's a gospel crunched into in each of the gospels of many of that have many comings and goings and words and actions and miracles and sufferings and all those things that that jesus does undergoes speaks shot and that he passes through and there's journey
the and in paul it's a complex as it were a structure of thought but at it's core it's one the champion of the simple the simplicity of gut which i'm out beyond our comprehension and yet contains thank you because all things came out of it
so much that approach but i'd like to take to the new testament which is a biased approach focusing not on a multiplicity which is eric frontage but on this on his core now this is in line with a
with patristic introduces patristic interpretation but also and particularly with monastic institutions the monastic reading scriptures in and i legit
probably the best example of the truthers rather element which they could be the substation right
out the
twelve eleven twelve century bernard williams shakeri garrick a vineyard there it's tragic of stone not right
now who represented kind of combination and the west before the eclipse
the second one is the
provide to the first letter of john which you will encourage many times to
but these texts this particular tex
are a kind of opening into the heart of things especially i think this one from the first photoshop
now it's coming from the same place or that prologue to the british coming
that which was from the beginning
which we have heard which we have seen with our eyes which were looked upon and touched with our hands concerning the word of like
the first the first line the first information is coming from where the letter to that you just come from that which was from the beginning the rest of it it's coming from immediate experience the second part that which we have seen that our eyes touched with our hands heard of that years this is the jesus whom they know
and this is what was from the beginning that's an incredible thing that what was from the beginning that which is the source of which all things have come is that which has walked among us and has walked among us and somehow as one human being that's what the nine hundred and the collision will say when it says in him bodily is all
the treasures of wisdom and knowledge of god know the photos of the divinity is and him out of it
now this is not something just sort of objective or or a unity that's out there this is a unity which you can experience in other words this simplicity and fullness which is in christ is something that is offered to us so that the reading of the work is not just
reading a text outside yourself and somehow is entering into this one this entering into this and to the simple college which we can credit and which is the same as the foreigners cut
that which was really be any which we occurred which you've seen with our eyes which we have looked upon and touched with our hands concerning the word of life same concept as and hebrews and the sense that this is the expression the full expression of divinity the expression of god which is not only telling you about something that is coming
and again something to you that which had communicated to you is not on the intelligence does not only understanding is not only wisdom that it's bike to work and life it's as if there are two faces is that is the face how of understanding the phase of revelation that phase of the communication and then the at a pace of life and in the a history of jesus of course there's really
our to face and essentially two phases because jesus speaks and then he dies and gives you communicate the totality of for only through his death
the life was made manifest and we saw it and testify to and and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the father who had made manifest tours notice the kind of does a kind of liturgical quality to this somebody who is it was almost singing something and toning something was mesmerized with not encourage was
drunk with something can he's kind of going around in a circle not following a straight line that kind of circling around this thing saying look look look what we've seen look what's happened you saying this has happened whatever it is it you're waiting for it happen whatever it is that you want their cheered the whole thing is here is about it has come into the world
and not only to come into the world to show it up but somehow committed to work to give it so that you become one with it and that's what it gets her now on he said that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to use so the you may have fellowship with them somehow there's a fellowship established by this which has come into the world and the word in the greek is kind of here
very important work for if you only have one or two greek words that you're gonna acquire require that one because it's the heart of christianity but out of the church and it's the very divinity of very of guts on how come into the world and participated by human beings so that the core of the church the life of the churches the life god
so as not only an individual life but it's a shared like from somewhere and what is shared and the reason why people impoverished themselves in the early church is this very like god which is ultimately precious thing
so that you may have fellowship with us and our fellowship is with the father and with his son jesus christ our koinonia
he doesn't mention the spirit here does it it doesn't mention the spirit that the skirt is and push it and that very foolish if they're very breaking open of the divine and pouring out of the device which is this kind of here
and we're writing this that our i may be complete
so that's
the prologue which is a very much of what the product you're a bruiser saying but it's hang it in a more experiential way and sharing it with that special interior dimension and interior fullness which is in the john tradition
an old letter the first letter of gonna hold letters like the practically on that level sometimes it gets a polack dualistic
the old town of that way finally there's the product gospel john i'm not going to read the whole thing
but just give you a few lines which resonate with each other to products and which was established i think the point which i'm trying
starting point it's like in order to create a prologue for our on study the new testament don't want to go back to the the mind the prologue line of the new testament itself when an investment riders shut down to put you in the right place to understand the new testament what are they said this is what say
when i try to to get you at the angle from which you can understand and penetrate the rest of what they're gonna shake where did they put your life with his to and of course the an unintelligible just at the outset you have to kind of live with them until those words become somehow three and part of your being
until they become experiential this is a very unfamiliar words to you and the beginning was the word and word was with god and the word was god not the very close parallel with a bridge and the prologue the first letter of challenge a kind of contraction of this prologue and extreme condensation of this problem leaving out and
great deal of which said he was in the beginning my god i read hebrews or that can remember now
and the prologue to the letter that which was from the beginning all things that arcade archives be getting a
in the beginning and rk in our logos
how things were made through him and without him was not anything that was made so what we're talking about here is is the beginning of the source
now the source out of which are things have become somehow must contain the fullness of all things
does contain a secret the meaning of all things must contain some way the life the salvation of ratio about thing
the judeo christian pattern is a kind of moving away from a sources and never return to his choice
but if we think of the source outside of ourselves spelling i shall sure are selling ensure the source is something that becomes one with the infected is what upon way to show a time when we don't die
and him with light and the life was the light of that under the word of life in one job the light shines in the darkness from the darkness has not overcome it
then there's a passage about john the baptist which i'll skip the true like the enlightens everyone was coming into the world
he came into it became to his own and his own people received and not but to order received and i believe in his name he gave our to become children of god i think condition is the center geometrically of the prologue of john and it's rehearse directly i think to baptism will find a baptism is it the principle of first key for understanding in there too
went by and large very much i was talking about the baptismal experience it's basing itself upon that experience starting from there but continually return to the ground of the baptismal experience the ground and the change which you have experienced the thing that happened to you so that you're no longer where you were before a movement from darkness into light
the movement from death to life and scott
remember that but that the gayatri mantra
and the punished in hinduism which is i wanted to change me he's to an elimination and the christian baptism experience of a great deal and come
the non dual experience with the east
and the word became flesh and dwelt among us full of grace and truth now the dwelling among us has not only jesus dwelling in the flesh among the people of israel but is the word coming and incarnating and shelf and up
and the baptism of jesus here resonate with our own baptism in which the word somehow begins to become flesh and us and the glory that we suite we have seen his glory of grace and truth we have beheld his glory glory as are the operation of the other member those baptismal words this was my beloved channel i love bridge that center
the prologue the baptism of jesus and the glory of jesus is the glory in our wrong girl is given to turkish practices about
this product
and from his fullness have we all receive grace upon grace from his fullness and we always be the fullest that is in him becomes our focus
this this event of deification of demonisation the be of buying of the human person
that's what the new testament about
in which the mystery becomes one with around the about the whole event becomes one with our on being in the very core of the event is this wanting of of humanity with stability
they can sell very ironic and prestbury inflated and ah i don't know what you call an exaggerated in our time but when christianity losers that somehow the losers
loses the key to its to its power i think my delusion that simple truth of demonisation at the art of the gospel god and interesting now see that's included in the baptismal experience the the baptismal expansive like the the planting of this feat of demonisation it's like the conferring of this the spark and and light of divine
vanity in the human person or the releasing of that you can say whatever you want but anyway that's in the new testament history that's where a stuff that's what happened today and the new testament needs to be read in that life
and that in kindling of the divinity within the human person and not only individually somehow community somehow and and in a shared gift which we've called a kind of here
for the law was given through moses that's and pieces and here has pulled up and does as an external kind of communication to do a communication of god which has to go realistic and way god speaking to you and giving you something that an external framework by which you i wish you that that's not entirely true of the tour and the old testament is it because of the law
i've towards much deeper than that much more one with the but that's the way the new testament have to look at it at the beginning because they were like a child pushing a jump away from its parent in order to get the distance that it has to have to discover and stuff
the law was given through moses grace and truth came through jesus christ no one has ever seen god the only son who is in the bosom of your father he has made of know the bosom of the father i think there is a metaphor for the union is a metaphor for oneness with god there's not a place it's a condition of divinity it's the condition of the children of god
a which begins in bacteria
no one has ever seen them that is you don't see god somehow dualistic are you don't see the face of got like a vision i don't believe you know got by being god if it's if it's possible to say that you know god by identity
you know god by one you know god by the resonance of your being not only with itself but with all things when you are in god and gutters and you are not commemorated in here and that's when you didn't really discover who you are so well our self images in our concepts of identity of to that point is provisional kind of scaffolding for that final revolution
that final revelation of our of who we are in god for which actually we have no words we have no name for that
does and maybe there's a secret word what it says in revelation of we don't know the word name that can convey anything that would be a luminous name is shining me
member like the name of the angel who wouldn't he wouldn't tell jake and he has quit my name is my name is wonderful shot
the only is no one has ever seen god and that in that way you can encompass the the forest of god by vision as a your sensors or even remotely intellect
the only son who is in the bosom of the other he has made him know how all these products are sort of the ultimate stuttering of human language trying to say this which is unspeakable and which is the divinity of shelf as it manifests itself as one with our own the individually personally anteriorly but also ultimately externally
communal eight an altogether in it
when you say something about the two basic approaches to scriptural interpretation listen for refers both to the old testament and the new testament
can early christian tradition fish and a father to church after they can die in the fourth century or so you'll find early enough to country of origin costs twenty etc
these two basic level of the bible okay there's a certain crudity about this but it's a it's a very strong and enduring structure first of all the literal sense the letter of the of the bible and historical expense historia the economy in latin very often the outer meeting the surface meaning the flesh of the word
the plain meaning of a scriptural texts
sometimes they they thought of it in terms of what the author meant to write that is the human heart and i'm correct that somebody understand nowadays but he didn't show much think about elena days because they didn't give so much attention to the helicopter there were so that are you call it sort of blinded by the notion of divine inspiration
why the quality of divine inspiration of scripture they didn't think you'd want you to going on
but the the plain meaning of the words without any
spiritual theological transcendent overtones and then you have the spirit the distinction in a letter the spiritual sense as contrasted with minerals as the symbolic sense the intervening the mystical mean
just for example and think the hackney example if you have to really look for over think think especially for the doctrine of the for such as scripture with yeah that the city of jerusalem which is in israel and which can be geographically defined it can put a pin it on a map
and then you have the jerusalem that is the heart of the jerusalem that is the church as the jerusalem that there's a heavy nigeria's islamic revelation high holidays with spiritual meanings the city of jerusalem and palestine would be a better way so that's the simplest possible exemplification of them
the idea of with separation of these two sensors and the notion of the to censor the outside the emphasize that the letter and spirit is partly on the new testament a challenge if you read all and or is it second corinthians chapter and strike three four
where he talks about the jewish scriptures the old fisherman and you can either be outside them or you can be intact yeah i'd have to fail over the scriptures in the veil over your heart of your i have you read the scriptures or you turn to christ in a village me more than you see enter the scripture to see the interior me and for him the interior meetings christ her history
oh that's right that's right and paul
and it's been evident from the beginning of christianity that is more than the surface level in the scripture now first of all you find that in the gospel everywhere the old testament is coated with spiritual sense typical french a symbolic sense were david is simpler cases where the somme has picked up you know
the lord said to my work and shot but wherever the words reply to david are applied to do immediately you're reading a spiritual such inside of the name beyond the literature read the gospel message simply full of it
but the other gospels are loaded with children
here we reached the point where we arrive at the conclusion that the language of the new testament is the old testament and is a theological language very mentality the consciousness in which the new testament is written is the old testament the first question it's almost like the think in the paper and the vocabulary
and the ideas and the images comics it's the stock the stock of of material of revelation which than the new testament modes and compressive and in some way transforms and abuses and illuminates to create it's own way
look into that extra
this members of the two centuries that also influenced by greek side of course especially platonism and what where you have the ideas which are reality which are truth and then you have the images the things down here are only images and vestiges and and little reflection of the the reality which is up above and the
that's one thing that there's also the notion of incarnation where where johnson the word became flesh and other the word became flesh yeah the logos which were just been reading about which is this planet to somehow meaning and of power and then you have the things down here in ca
sending jesus walking around on the earth so when when we speak of the word incarnate we speak of to level things i have brought together and so it's natural to extend that switched users thought of as the word and kind of this is now shown to extend that notion to the scriptures themselves which in some sense are also the word incarnate
i think there's a logo of got the revelation of god but fullness of revelation which is expressed in human work and without limitation and the complexities and then the dualism it's inherent in human language
there's a theological talking about and corporations for this notion of inspections
what is the literal sense
it seems like that ought to be obvious and sometimes it is obvious and sometimes it's not at all obvious that the more you take that notion of literal sense and try to try to determine exactly what it is the scriptures the more complicated you'll find it is more complex and deep a question it becomes
medieval definition as a brown gives you from aquinas russian the sensors better alice because the meaning conveyed by the words of scripture as distinct from the shunts contained in the things of scripture
which which was the spiritual sense that's pretty profound actually the idea is that the words saying one thing but the thing that the words are referring to has other main exam
as other references
the words refer to something and there you have the literal sense that the something refers to something else and there you have a spiritual sense that's a theoretical imposition but that it's pretty strong thinking
so that god communicates not just in the words of scripture but he he's actually communicating and revealing in the things which he does the things which you create the things which happen
so that the history of the old testament is itself beyond the word whatever the relation of the industry to the work and ip and history is itself symbolic is indicative of something else so to find a reference to find the residents of the history of the old testament history has to go to spiritual death and for the father of course that reference and residents
while convergence and college christ centered and crush
a contemporary definition of the literal chance would be the sense which the human author directly intended in which the written word convey at the time in other words what the words meant at the time they were let's say my paw or by the evangelist by matthew or whoever it was
now that's likely to be a simple such i think the mistake is to to other
thinking too crisp terms about these things however
that is to think that god speaks and the conceptual the hard conceptual containers of our own thinking but the couch fiction and circumscribed clearly defined loving logical terms distinct enough for one another distinct ocean as like checkers and were just think that
and as pieces you can move around and not that way to whatever the whole thing as an argument and that's the problem word is all one thing and so the literal sense is a kind of protocol a kind of collapse of of the word this is saying one side of the collapse of the word to say one thing
whereas the spiritual messages like the whole word vibrating in this one other words got the to dimension that's not a very good expression of welcome back
the sense which the human author directly intended in which the written word to convey the spiritual sense man would be whatever is beyond that whatever you're reading in it beyond the intention of the and often but but but suppose the human author intended the spiritual such suppose you intended to whole octave of spiritual century suppose the at nine ideas
and it's microbiota which paul sometimes does we've got a whole scale of different notion of like a poet of you when a powered by a lot of poetry
he doesn't kind of to call squeeze the ideas out of and until they fall under the table and can line of our country three four five six and they're not clearly defined night ideas and exactly what he's doing is communicating poetry a staunch about this is communicating a world of possibility or well the potential or a world of fullness
which you glimpse to the individual words and to the individual metaphors and through contrasting things rubbing against one another as they do a metaphor
he's trying to communicate a world of possibility which ran it can't really be expressed clearly can be translated can't be flattened out and to verbal expression
but by a plurality of language and even a collision of language by paradox and ironing and every kind of twisting and turning of human word you try to communicate that which are beyond words which is a living whole a living organism quality human consciousness quality and experience or and this cape cod this promises is divine format which were talking about
which is a divine human from two hundred to find
so to talk about a literal sense is it really proving thing down and really nailing things down on the word really permit itself to the now consequently when you go with that that contradict idea of literal sense into the bible you find yourself something very confused pressure sometimes that
literal function is what could you tell immediately symbolic i am a better life for the literal sense a little the literal sense goes beyond the literal immediately and it forces you have a literal because of symbolic itself
sometimes you have you have a lot of statement and scripture the new testament and the and i we can with a lot of money you can say that and a spiritual residents are probably not in the orphanage intention and probably not very significant when james tells you to take care of a widow in the orphanage child
now that's meant to be understood literally as i mean that to be taken literally and not to be spiritual life to way if you if you spiritualized that you you destroy it because you destroyed the immediacy of the imperative you just turn the power of the word the historical and personal and moral power of words to have to be very careful
and it's there that you see how the literal can and should show has to be cherished maintain and so on
and because the literal sense when not properly attended to unexpected from lunch of christian history the word of god lost its historical power
it would be moralize so they could understand a personally and morally but you couldn't understand it in a larger historically and essential social conditions and the sense of national transforming society transforming structures in the sense of transforming the church because of an immediate the spiritual life
or it would be blocked by saying that abuses came and bought the finish of everything now we have to do is live in that building until the end of time but he didn't come to like another building
so the historical facts become extremely important historical censored inseparable from the little actually very close to it
we'll get back to that
so sometimes the spiritual sense that really different from other sense except maybe i'm being a more experiential reading
the spiritual ascension eventually develop must be solidly rooted in a literal sense
declarations from wrong but very explicit about and even from a time of pipes the tour
in fact it should be ideally a depth residents are a larger reading of the literal sense to have to be one
but we can overstretched easy because their one but they're also in some way to
but the spiritual side and if the literal sense it's hard to grab some times are hard to define how to in jakarta spiritual sense as much hydrogen circumscribed because sometimes a spiritual sense what it could all of the residents of the word you think assemble like like bread and can include all of the residents of that is it moves back from the exposure invisible
back and to while back into infinity back into the infinity of the divine which sacramento valley and symbolically it will express
so the spiritual sounds very often can't be can hardly be expressed at or can only be implied cannot be intimate and remember that the spiritual and he is also beyond the notion of sense because it's experience and it's union
so when we talk about functions the for sense of scripture it's like you're in a com which at the point of the literal sense is adage front and fine point and it's from it's like a pencil and that the point of the control which which is very precise you make for circumscribe figured a mark but as
you go up into the spiritual senses and when you get to the unit of change it becomes less than less verbal and less than less possible to put into to regulate and nine with especially rational logical like you're opening up the top of the carnage infinity edge
so the idea of for for instance spiritual a poor central literal and an allegory what saw on moving on up each of which is going to be explicit i think isn't as much too narrow much to read but nevertheless to helpful framework
search for centuries and it couldn't hurt a while but i don't get too hung up on
the distinction between a literal and spirituals aren't usually turns around symbolism that as a symbol is something that has more than one layer more than one level of meaning it's something visible and it implies something or and it has a surface a literal a visible of queer
significance and then it implies another significant will need to talk about symbolism for more did we later
and things and events and actions and and person to maybe symbols
from you'll also need to talk about metaphor i think which operation as from a different way
so i think we can maybe big gutter of a spectrum a kind of gradation of interpretations moving between letter and wisdom
from a very circumscribed that divine wisdom to visit where the word and stuff for the capital w from a very circumscribed chance to a completely open scratch
it's like moving from the particle to the energy field there's not a perfect analogy for it's a very helpful i'm moving from body to soul
that doesn't exactly what i want to check because are moving from body to spirit if you live from the human body can the human spirit you're moving from something which is very circumscribed i mean you can you can perfectly measured and way the human body and locate the one percenters was actually who is that by when you move up to this
seoul in the psyche it's not so easy to do that the psyche is relational it's like an aura is not only innocence around us and it doesn't have that boundaries of same way as the body doesn't like it it's feeling and moving into things and it's intimidating with other psychics into relational aspect of when you move to the spirit where the human spirit somehow
how at the center of the human person is indistinguishable from from god you would all the way up the com into the infinite somewhere the unbounded is there a point image which is unbounded there's no place is where we are when the gun or somehow we at our own century encompass all of reality is she wrote me
karl rahner says that the symbol of that the body as the symbol of the person and every body of christ is the symbol of on the fullness of credit and the fullness of christ and logo is the symbol of god
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so we have to distinguish especially today the literal sense on a spiritual sense but we can oppose them
the spiritual centers further development of three such as the three spiritual senses
the allegorical since you've got that list on one of your hand out there
which can also become a crystal logical sense
the technological trends and then you've got better horrible sense
a trump a logical sense and then you've got the energy anagogical or mystical
a going for examples of he put it out get out

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and also pretty clear at the bottom
what's right we the have been going on

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and i gotta go to a big you know i'm very proud of the united states

the liberal side is well that he will be under german law here heroes one the study in palestine
but also the algorithm to be
what we the church when you've gotta be allegorical such from other worlds i'm thinking something else will either to christ or military
what does something immediately referring to christ a new church and i've called typology
the just looking in the of

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problem with that the and and what you're talking about their is your response i'm not going to work a bunch of the gospel what does the the gods for me or the old testament command that these kinds of obligation to you
i couldn't tell you that recommended because whatever they do that other know it a transformation in nobody can directly apply know that the commandment is a call out the world the providing it has passed through the provide as the best that the price and further

that wasn't the as otherwise it's the heavenly combination of things as was of the jerusalem which is very explicitly member the origin
the ways it just works and to move back to earth of this is that
when you moved on the literal sense to the our world was next to the sense of the mystery of christ you're actually move into a sentiment from which the other sensors open up it's more like this was on the liberals for these
chrysler history within the other was actually read the christmas tree and that that opens up and new orleans
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so the thing that makes the for says as fits your work is this explosion that happens when the christ industry which illuminates the inside ones inside the literal sense good there's people in the office
because it wasn't just trying to the question history's very often like there but sometimes you can do this religious nativity the parables of jesus and pilate thing for
now you move the literal sense to the crisis and another crushed history first of all your recognized christ at a say in full and the not just figure those snake
why didn't they purposeful that statement
we recognize christ with as language
why didn't the pattern in the desert
and then that is fun to apply to your life in some way fringe of the best lamb well as i've been a my latest kind of to the physical activity
usually the consequence confirms that which has come home and passion traditions and all of that that professor had gotten close to the problems on so it begins to fall in anything to elaborate on world since i phone the luggage becomes an application online live through that guys must go through that opening health of the goes from symbol and then finally and have
the ultimate meal and it doesn't have i got was leaving now
and that ultimately meetings were leaving other
you've got the you've got to laugh or say in in heaven who is be a center of the what's that
but you've also got to lab which is eucharistic which is about the the participate those image interpretation of the of the civil whether it was machine is no financial incentive system
so what i want to contend this is the specter of the basic structure i think if you have a president elected then you move from the outside and inside and the inside
has it manifests itself i think it's something to do it he acted direction they experience direction of his paws or the movement direction of movement of doing history
the kind of journey a journey which which has steps and the giant which as details which is not one but finally to this relative sense
in which you find yourself the else in the form of the abbey on cut and that is what it's all about this is the churches are getting this is the isn't built
but at a certain point of ago digital sensors the
because like to say to start of production and use historical down here
the dimensional of the dynamics
and this finally indentations
so that we can say that the industry it goes to first all the literally up the second a defining characteristic of the crunch of recipe is max's and prodigies that's correct david krejci on it's an opening of that figures to these other dimension to dimension
there's a but only in a while sir
another way than individuals the visual object to the understanding of history itself have the history of western art history or there's been progress participated in this history of credit for this history david the history of equilibrium
but then finally and this is already there be nine this unit and experienced which is get and which the all tests which are new testament cities all concerned about we've been reading her those books and which is already become scientists it's not as be going to work
and for the good to countries that the when it comes ultimately to in kayaks of somehow with your eating so that you are one of the guy that they can take it into one liner zika weren't the spider i want to make them too complicated for me
maybe i should quit how are you know was quite a lot to have covered eschaton any questions at this point

and i hope you won't be dispatched i was going to be moving over to many things often questions that you ask may be helpful in clarifying things bringing things back to the senate
but even if we see removing around and a lot of things which we should be orbiting around a single central okay
and will come back to that from time to time
against like up
this monastic and whatever price tiers
he resigned the modern world i'm from way to the experience jesus than lot of people are searching for the historical jesus are counting the techs to get it back through the chance to start with vanessa jesus wants but he said is an important element that can leave out the very word itself brings a christ's presence in doing temporary moment
and so we're experiencing than the risen christ now from the would as well as to the meeting of the tests and that's under pointing out here
and another gradations or that the product or how much you can go up that
but there's a presence there immediately in the reading of the word and that's what tends to be forgotten
that kind of but you got the placid and contemplative dimension of that presents and the other side and that's like the inside of the word it seems to me that the word comes in breaks open as becomes a kind of new christian how becomes a kind of photos and an immediacy that the other side of it which is so i can vent neglected as the edge of the word and how it becomes an imperator
it and a prophetic kind of and decisiveness for our time and both of those afternoon and they might seem to cancel one another efficiently like the left in my ends of the word on it simply to two dimensions of the world and people very often that they get on one bandwagon and they completely want to submerge the other side that's the trump and
the same thing happens in the history of interpretation for a long while the father's seem hostile which made of others in our line the alexandrian like showing on accustomed to seem to just chuck the little of central area and then submerged the indifferent to it and it can disappear for centuries and then you'll get the revenge and element on the other side can ever come
leaping excludes the spiritual sense as being kind of insidious nonsense
and we've been gone through that for a while now
the problem is to get to go together the word is very big
today were used to be in touch with close friends with them
michelle what else is indispensable you
we shouldn't have to talk about fundamentalism will come back to that again and again i kept thinking of fundamentalism in terms of liberalism and it is a literalism but
financially pointed out that it's not actually a of the literal sense
there's a kind of a prejudice which fundamentalism starts out as or automatic bias and which brings us preconception and and then cause up the of sense
i have a terrific energy so they can hypnotize you feel well
i stand you
but it's not really a little research very great novelty but he wasn't intended not
but it is by large and insistence on federalism and a refusal to go deeper sense of refusal to move into this page
i'd put it to pose and a sense of this horizon this spectrum has been fundamentalism on one side and and wisdom on the other side true set contrary and integrating on the other side

we need to a friend both scientific and a substantial symbolic community approach but she can't do the to at the same time that's part of the problems like the two sides of the brain and we can help operate on both both rails both wavelengths of the same time you have to go back and forth between the two
and usually the the scientific thing will come first so that we can at least know what to put the word is so we can be looking at the right word they've been so many chemical things that have happened in the past and also find him and that literature the products with it he doesn't interpretation of something and nice spiritual interpretation and it is go
image based on the latin translation or something instead of the original worrying about such complete kind
complete fiction
which can be nice but that it's not very southern disappointing

i gave you a hand out with some texts china where four-line text and the notion but she good idea to go through those texts and and if you have one of those colorful tends to mark the word mystery or underline it but i'm getting out terrorists does this mystery of christ
one approach to this unity of the word is the word logo says we find a judge prologue and the first letter account and push it being a like to evers and other approaches his mystery of christ which is in in poor and in which you'll see that he's talking about one thing that one thing because at one from one aspect of several history salvation from a
creation through abrahams for moses on the way down it's all and from the other point of village just christ disguised himself and most centrally age the death and resurrection of christ and in the body of christ as he can change it and all these things you one while was thinking in a negative way so that's what those texture of that is to persuade you that the unity
of the word in this pauline vision of the mystery of christ so if you take a look at those texts and give a little access to the word mystery that we can come back to it next time
i shouldn't give you any other
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as it was in the beginning his show the world and