October 13th, 1995, Serial No. 00949

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Camaldolese Artists: The Miniaturists


#item-set-180, Mentions Bernardino Cozzarini (visiting Epiphany Monastery, New Hampshire), Prior General Emanuele Bargellini, Brazil (Mogi), India, Tanzania, 


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before we will speak on the miniaturist schools are among the companies are like say a few things for spot and happy states it's commands sent a rather colorful one
we happens in a booklet i got gotten italy last time i was there on mostly on the little town in which his hermitage was situated from time me it's not too far from you probably just with science and i don't think usually they don't even know it's just
go through a one after his body's they're caught on the sun and if you're interested in that and a little bit about money counter besides the flagellation ah it's it's in our commandment section
also wanted to say that ah
i hope maybe sometime during the calendar year ninety six if something comes out a way we have an opportunity that i will be able to our speak on the commodities houses and get another installment may be done that years of each year we can get a moonstone history and good things on tape
says that i'm able to to do adequate worked on its stuff is mostly an italian and latin
a little bit and english are naturally commodity itself forty other
i'm a sad regarding our house and one and then i will do our work on three houses have no longer exist his command on these but very famous and that would be largely in florence the one we're talking about these days also send me cani di milano
in environments very very famous for history very important and also the house and fades sandy foliage on which was the seat of government for the senate contribution for many many many years and so those would be the house and saying i'm aiming at for for next year
in conjunction with the i spoke with bernardino while he was at epiphany
talking about this project in my one handicap is that i don't have a copy of the anomalies which are those nine huge tones
on our history because ah
part of the annelids contain the day by day month by month listings what's going on in the various houses and whatnot it's all in and would be very tedious work but would be a good corollary to have that while i'm doing it's working and six houses and bernardino has promised to check in a true
a project with the
prior to know divine and need to fund micro filming the another's for all i'm little houses so they each have a carpet so he's thinking also brazil india and tanzania the time and certainly epiphany epiphany is the one that i'm the one it's asking for it so it will see if beacon
get that through also you know i mean imagine each of the large houses would get a copy to even if they happened to why not have another coffee on michael
so that may be coming down down one to have benefited you hasn't gone back to the on the yeah
ah i when we talk about a miniature painters the illumination of manuscripts i don't know an awful lot of the technicalities as to one kind of animal hair did they use on the russians now skinny word they've been around one i
don't know that type of thing even though i paid myself and read books there's not a lot written on the tools of of the illuminators
we've had to work on such small scale i can't imagine how they did it myself so well especially are commodities are painters but i know a lot about manuscripts themselves to tongs i i was trained as a bookbinder on before i came here i function in that
cause they're all my other workers head work and to computer work teaching in all of that and i asked for something to do with my hands and and so i became a bookbinder as well so if you have any questions we need to talk about that today but the iran as you want to talk about our manuscript tones and the making the books or of hides i know
all that and i've done some so when you talk about your loan interest
ah lawrence you still want me to talk about the experience when lawrence was he was telling the yesterday when he was in florence in nineteen seventies after catastrophic flood with you remember ah
lawrence was conscripted into helping to restore some of the damage artwork and lords that was a two week one two weeks with q tips in hand working on a don't lorenzo conical painting and we talked about which you know to describe it and here he worked
the the famous coronation of the the most famous a vital moments before you've even know new is commodities or would promote these laws and now you're don't know anything
two things now just before we became ah i'm wondering if anyone does what this word and laugh and hoping from ill of the word miniatures and miniature as comes from the latin maniac i didn't know if it's you know mean the out a means or the to a tooth visit himself
it up yeah i had never heard of to do what it means to paint with red colored red and i've ever been a trick revenge i suppose i've maybe a disability level by the valley get the switch yeah i've been surprised me
but evidently a lot of the earthy a miniature
especially floral design and the border work was done on the admit to reading and that's how the the word came to us just tip the them with if that were a trivia trivia and it's why you the vedic room
i did a it's true also i just want to mention of the thought came to me on throne this morning
that we'd have a rwandan precedent to our own commodities activity in miniature painting and in and illuminating manuscripts because the otters the famous auto including our room wall in a blizzard article third
who wanted to be a monk and didn't quite make and died as an emperor
the or autoimmune dynasty is known particularly for its for its patronage and enthusiasm for and of a continuation of carolingian manuscript illumination and so we have autonomy and on man in
limited manuscripts especially in germany
which did much of what was done century slater and in our other houses miniature not that we had ramon hints at work with brush in hand but at the emperor was the one who is patronising the business
okay so today we're talk about commodity these miniaturist schools and i want to talk about that term first festival fifteen general the school
in general and people mention and are most famous school is the one at the actually in florence when they mentioned the term or the phrase that scuola de leon chile or our school of the a chosen florence they would be referring specific
lee because when we use that term other than this usage it means that are consistent academy of art are under the auspices of our monastery of the angels were various arts were taught and performed with particular characteristics setting them
authored before their work off as a particular school
so it it
when it when that's the school of blank blank blank is used that's what it means is even an miniaturist term schools but that situation does not exist or did not exist at in reference to our commodities schools as we call them except for very
a minor periods during our history when things happened to jive and certain artists were all alive and so we can talk about a few years where you could use school of the angels in that sense ah when donald know answer monique
go well supply and the other ones have just passed on over nearing her dotage
and so we have a workshops and up there are obviously works which are bikes to your best but all over similarly enters it has a command the leaves scandal
artistic stamp on it but to say that we had school for decades decadent let alone centuries is not true
in fact both simoni come out and and are donald on answer was growing up yesterday both worked outside the monastery and we're talking of a school you're talking about something that action is in a monastery
the private school of the aliens would have to them up games with and they had a workshop in there they had our artistic works going on but they didn't have a school in a technical sense
ah but we do date on miniatures painting
have some sort of the other arts going on at the anchovy to from as early as thirteen thirty on under prior fee for name and need however that doesn't carry a message that uses that phrase doves
okay so in the early thirteen seven or in and thirteen seventies until the fourteen twenty so that's basically the time would look so fifty years we have a whole body of scribes illuminating and many miniature is
add in and outside around or monster with the angels were only going to be talking about the miniatures themselves the scribes were the ones who did the calligraphy invitation itself if they're doing notes or copying text many
closer describes and this i mean could see as departmentalized manuscripts went from section to set in school
ah illuminators are were were more working with for instance support our work
a lot of the busy work busy painting busy work type painting filling in blanks and stuff like paint by number manuscript for i'm like the big letters to to begin a section the illuminator will be doing that the miniature is we're actually doing
one hundred probably can be paintings
yeah in elaborate
tiny scale paintings in peace in these works often narrative scenes or an action depicting a whole story going up from the sense life or whatever
often profits show up in our own of these heritage they they did an awful lot of profit a miniature painting many of which are in this country
why did they whatever they're doing as well first of all they were doing their own liturgical books for their own house that's how it got started and then they wanted they needed to do them for their dependencies at the angels for instance the two churches i mentioned yesterday that lauren's want
don't go to a major works that ended up in if we'll see we'll see if you
thank you will see gallery in the form of were dependent churches dependent upon for time anyway upon our monastery of yonge and florals and so they did what they did the manuscript they require books for them also and when we're trying to acquire
our books we can talk about more than one you know you talked about gradual allah and on titian items and
dyer animals and so there are various sets that can be done they could you doing in these places
referring to the three main artists in this in this work
that is don't know an answer monaco and the to famous ones that we can pull off from his cards we saw on the and book stores best relevancy mom and ah
our capture who is the author office rather large town that
gregory poking out just before we began our excellent work one on it as kid this hundred and true of friendly paintings
can student affairs walk cameras yeah i'm a federal reserve changed much
what i say oh he writes of the of these three are famous ones the work of these to me and then served estriol and similar so completely dominated the production of illuminated manuscripts and florence the last quarter of the fourteenth century as
did that of their command to these successor lorenzo in the first quarter of the fifteenth century that the concept of a school our daily and we or school of the angels understood not as referring to a particular scriptorium but as a term of convenience so in other words
he's just saying what i explain
so he said it's not entirely inappropriate achieves that term but be careful when when when you're reading that being used that you don't read into it what did not exist in the come off of these houses
ah in other words the phrase refers mainly to general work being done by command to these painters and most of our miniature this painters were very same as also for huge panel work as well of which i will speak along with the paper are in talked about lorenzo and not enough for
but we're talking about basically a fifteen year period although it overlaps as you see with other famous painters in our heritage okay who are the most things well
don't juggle juggle for day for a chess game theoretic gem the forerunner to the gym from clients are we don't have a hereditary that he died in through to ninety six very very famous and he's the one who who were helped train these others who come along
ah if there is the artists historian vasari we have it's lives of the artists and then in the library it's true him that we hear that the hands that is the physical hands of don jackal or and as it's demonic or serpents
sylvester the hands of savage you know you were cut off after they died and were venerated in the shrine in the monastery of the reaction from alternate sources say don't listen if it's not true but the heritage has come down that at this before
this oppressions their hands were in turn because there were so not just beautiful by spiritual spiritually optimistic it could be true
who knows anyway he was ascribed to begin with so he was very good he did the best letters were told
in his lifetime and he was renowned throughout even better than the ones and vendors and see
the sorry says a better writer of large letters
than any who go to either before or after they have not only in tuscany but in all of europe while the siren often speaking in hyperbole but the point is well check and that he had quite a quite a reputation for on in human drawing calligraphy and illumination large letters
ah he worked in rome and in our houses in in venice especially both on the two main historical houses in feminist st matthew and st michael off of which were very famous in history and they both had their ups and downs and both were centers of culture and educ
location for our congregation we say michael still stands as down stand with friends skins and st matthews was torn down right to the stone are they demolished thing quickly when when the it's oppressions came for reasons unknown other than great
them and so there's nothing absolutely nothing like to sit
anyway he worked in both of those houses and for them on the on their books he also did twenty large trump that we're talking a large tons were talking remember
huge choir books for the monastery of the angie sell so one set of require look secret or he was responsible for with workers under him
certainly don't choose basketball they get up to the for sixty years here's an eminent on he was born remember that little parish that to know them the words a monocle grew up in other emerging as st michael the storm new is germany
in florence he was born check
and there are other things wrong to come from that same parentage he entered the monastery of the energy at the age of nine and he made his life profession the age of thirteen
things were a little different than he became sub prior
later he became prior was speaking of a time when do they they're there there's no add that here still a hermitage by the way that i'm surprised both buttons use a reference to poor damian as add additional to of i'm not we didn't have any evidence at that time and it's true peter damian
it's work that the animal i'd come out there and rudolph decided not to have i to start computer damian and forty of on either they came to that decision
they're the only ones basically they are to to net coral reef and she referred to on keeping in its advocates and
he was on both of miniaturist painter and a working on large panels so like like credential angel
and did i say he was prior yes he was pyre he was elected prior and thirteen ninety seven so when he was fifty eight years old and children two years later now the item lives for two years and then maybe who he may have been ailing and that's why they elected i don't know i don't know the historical circumstances sometimes they would die
somebody whom they knew would not change too many things because they were intimate or whatever in any order and the monks that was competent issues
so he finds his roots to and see a nice pink so i live in school of santa and of the the critics point to his decorative abilities in his eye of the artistic conventions to used in iconography is so he's depicting saints pick depicts them certain ways
that quite right to see and that's from his father
and they think he quite possibly trained in the workshop of this fellow
another another j
have you can she i
i'm done
he wants our
also encouraged and in forums they can find some influence coming from florence again like
i'm by the audience on the in home
and the or the to jones are are are influencing
two restaurant
he are he was resident in the monastery but he also have functioned in other houses in our congregation but hedy is one who only would work for come out with these houses
so that's all he did was to acquire books our own houses
they possibly with one exception they haven't decided yet there maybe some benedictine nuns in us out here seven pm majority who handsome
ah some of his work and he may have done a origine for them
he also did major paintings
in and they were for are promoting these houses and some of these are in the united states how much not just in them
he also did some painting sport on semiconductor do
our wholesome in janice
ah there's a whole and tiffany area is in baltimore did you know have you been to the watches or how next time you get a chance issue for us looked just look over the and tiffany the whole thing i mean this is unique because because so many of the stuff that was take
run out of italy was done of what was done so page by page they didn't get the whole manuscript salt because there was incredibly high terrorists one had to pay even in the earlier centuries when you're when you are buying and pulling out of the country and illustrated manuscript and so they go
got around that by ripping them i mean a cutting the ball lot and taking our page by page
it's much easier to smuggle to page by page so i suppose that was another reason for to him again if you could get away with it so it you know in in the whole things like in the united states if you give to any because i'm going to mention you may only find a page with an illumination or something this is this is yeah i've got to japan their friends where did you get that from the
our pursuit go on sale no returns
on the street or and it's because the right and wax pierced or really not okay anyway you should check that for us running around with family there are there's also at the artist judith chicago i'm just going to this is a terrible some of these are paintings and some of them are just elimination but you want
makes in the back of your in your memory bag just remember that these appear the chance and you're at the museum ah there's one of our people here the cleveland museum of art has a lot of this particular artists denver art museum has a man of sorrows it's called
i read familiar with on a book about next time you next time you're there indianapolis indianapolis indianapolis has one of these famous on madonna's of humility sort of sad looking married
which became the i wasn't just lorenzo monaco that the command with these were famous in florence were doing pensive madonna and pensive marriage
the nelson atkins museum again at kansas city i've seen these
they have st james and st andrew and i've seen those the mat in new york on that has something of everybody and so you can can count on the pierpont morgan librarians many many of the nations of the commandments as painters especially profits and i've seen them luckily when
i was was nineteen eighty one and i went up from st louis was doing my masters anyway went up to new york for christmas holidays and stayed with the psychologist friend of mine and new york and we just happen to catch
i'm showing of the illuminations from the pierpont pierpont morgan holdings and there were all kinds of and i remember seeing the kemal lids but i didn't know sylvester from similar or whatever that i saw on and they were all in of commodities and on commodities eliminations i was a nice opportunity
also in san francisco we haven't done a lot of humility of far and they're that receiving of cylinders in which is a fine arts
yeah i've seen now
ah don't see more on i don't see on a dime and fourteen through serving governments another one we don't have this exact birthdate which is off because i only you have these monks we have the that we have the animals and we have a documentation of a lot of it but so often well i suppose it happens nowadays to us will often
the exact dates and whatnot don't get dogs
that anyone a guy and fourteen thirty seven so you see it's living
who is with lorenzo and also notice that lorenzo when did i think you love to the moment staring right at the end of the nineties so you obviously had some dealings with the restaurant worked on things with semester so these three guys are together in one way or another
and forming one another in this what the concept of nature come out of these influence on florentine art
simona was born in sin and he was also trained there's an artist so you're talking about real see and his influence there he had a very strong seen his style and they they point to his major
for major as ambrogio lorenzetti i've run across the name a number of times by the way i'm not going to talk about this unless we have time but these are the books we have here that i've laid out there including with one of the ground by brown
which is a nice little anything i bought from the
j jump off john paul getty museum in santa monica and it's a nice little in dictionary form of she will look up codicil or something it's under c and it gives you nice and it's all it's a dictionary of terms regarding information and becomes less for handling
tool use the ones you want to know is up yourself to you're interested in our stuff
from this time with nomination
simone flourished from thirteen eighty four two hundred so and then it was through less so during his last few years
on this one simona was not at all like based on sylvester stayed at home or in another tamales monastery and all name data for commodities simona is all over the place
we know that he had a broad range of patrons both secular and religious
and only rarely this is a call only rarely included monasteries of the own larger completely the opposite we know he worked largely for a number of the exporters borders influence the bottom brochures the carmelites the of that veterans are franciscans and various secular
institutions we also know he worked in the cities of valonia and or it so and pizza in for especially for franciscan monasteries and also all the victims and a few commodities of monasteries
how does this thousand little different
ah his style is very very clear and simple more southern to festival
ah he also is famous for doing a divine comedy the dante's divine comedy which we have the states in whole if you ever have a chance you know robert to come out from time and we have the time it would be well worth are are are or time
and energy to good on a yale in their rare book room they have this have some on his keep divine comedy
illustrate and we could probably talk or were just saying ah he did it in your thirteen ninety eight
so where else can you find them on new in are you can find an entire book of gradual live in chicago at the newberry library i've never heard of must be a manuscript library
so just mentioned ah there are some private collections that doesn't help us at all brooklyn museum columbia university but that one is crushed apple the mat was the st lawrence done via ceremony at the met in new york and philadelphia
benedict the here to the philadelphia has says peter bonaventure francis of assisi done by our signal
okay on to dollars or talk about an eventual especially as to panel painter yesterday today and good to mention he is also can accomplish miniatures ah who worked under izzo best or and maybe someone we know he worked on this celestial articles for a lot
we also know that he did a nanny many choir book miniatures and at one point collaborated with flour on jamie pull at his workshop on choir books where they were behind schedule and on frangelico came in and helped him out
to get to get done with a reasonably on time this is from eisenberg whom i was quoting from yesterday for over two decades an important activity of the workshop was the painting of images of the madonna for both institutional and private devotions rents or one seems to
maybe this is where that to
the madonna of humility than the instrument in the hundreds of new that's why lorenzo seems to have provided designs for execution by workshop assistance from the outside or onset of his prolific and continuous production of madonna's so he more or less didn't
paint madonna he just set up how to and the workshop did it and he focused his energy energies on panel painting and miniature any
this is from catcher on the top of their more than any other painter of his generation lorenzo was alerted to the innovations of true florentine pardus what a moron so keep their tea
and get our dogs that mean you're going into stranding allowed to study our art history se coming up when say something about the their teeth
the aren't those is
his famous bronze doors i thank you thirty and my thinking of subsea yeah so know it's supposed to be good as well and of san francisco resident people has supposedly perfect like a normal revenue applicants and then he irish becomes a sculpture as well as now
the have no those are his joris i florence i know you if you just love those things that's why i'm setting him up for this comment i liked them to very much
ah his work by the way is that is often turned on the new gothic in terms of his miniaturist of paintings especially the do gothic
this is in line when when when i know and so is mentioned in terms of are in relation to get their tea or star know then the new gothic sorts all three of these are the talking generically about a new movement and they see valenzuela impact
the lorenzo and his most famous ah what think people ought to say about this that he has been got know it's only in relation to this influence
okay others who were mentioned who have been mentioned in our history that as miniatures are a miniaturist schools well
we know of dawn are nicole role rosary and in fact one of our new newly acquired books has nice nice in color photographs of the some and rosaries
we know that he worked in sienna and our houses in florence and murano and we know that he was highly esteemed and that he died and fourteen seventy one at this point we don't know anything more
no i haven't had a chance to go through these new books text wide and i look forward to it because we may be something actually on were selling that on this woman has been able to track down the stuck on david hidden corner
has done his editor then had the head editor of these works
we also know there was a famous
come on this miniature his name's jim all and another simone simon is defiantly who died fourteen to seven the same date as the others similar
and we don't know anything else about him he just not over to that
obviously one overshadowed the other two kids they showed that we to think about it except that he was an accomplished painter
the next one dawn and giuliano on the day we don't have any dates on it's odd because we know various things about his live we know that he was reportedly a master picture at florence at the anchovy he is therefore a while and then it became an avid
he's one of our people or commodities were actually became one of the commander habits
at three of our hosts santa maria and get out of me so that's near of that souls
he's tiny outskirts of events are a lot
and the abbey of and ya know and then bobby costume where are our found a lotta did you could could of all the cash now next
he was added that all three of those places of busy fell on the first voice artist strengths other stuff there is some controversy about him off
because we don't know an awful lot we do have one of his triptychs in a church at tv
t identify and get where that is i have many others
when i put it down in case anyone else do we have a triptych done by
why is he
a point point of controversy i talked to google for some or prior to come out to me about to miniatures mechanics while i was there by the way have another a lot of sources that i didn't put up to their own italian that's why to didn't list on here that i worked i was speaking with don't we go about
about our miniature wrists and he says he claims that in years to come we are going to discover poetry that he is the best and the the supreme miniaturist and i couldn't tell that he was pulling my leg or are serious
and i said well can you tell me anything about him can you point me to any direction i had already found two columns and i did some artistic journal on monday and that's all he knew of to and i said well how can you how can you tell out
that this was the great the greatest of the greats regarding our miniaturist and and that we're going to discover this and he just sort of we're not ruefully just sort of modern sage they said you'll see g vaidya soon and he didn't explain so either i don't know there is controversy
the body and as a person also he was evidently kind of strict on
rather not to return to terrier abbott and some of his some things about him evident they were problematic i don't i don't know where the source of socrates there must be something in the anomalous but the happened i've been to kill her
there is a fellow who did work fellow an american or these he's american or english named garrison who who did work on a possible miniaturist school at commodity itself
yeah the ten and eleven hundreds
that's early i mean that predates all the rest of our miniaturist work in the order but there's no written proof of anything going on in that regard this is all hypothesis of inspired until we reach those to read koozie that i mentioned yesterday so don't see more need to come on the and door
pity vino he come on these to courses we were doing everything
wonderful well and doing wonderfully and come on and had quite a reputation that's in the mid twelfth and so we know the with twelve hundreds because one other activists was illuminating acquire books were come on that that was going on
well make sense that it was probably going on before then to elimination of be going on for centuries and
the ceremony and back
pellegrino necessarily began to come on
ah garrisons hypothesis is more in connection with the city of an answer itself because there was a miniature school in red so
and which was working in the eleven onwards
and i actually was a rather thriving school and
the spell of garrison goes through whose line of thought that there was an awful lot of of activity between a red zone come out the and come out the and feet ends by florence supports a red zone and come out to me and if a red so had miniature paintings pay
and going on and a thriving way and florence to not necessarily come all leads at that time obviously we're talking live in hundred
but it's going on why not why you now and then he points to other things and he tries to bring the puzzle together and i don't think it quite comes are you still end up with the hypothesis that it as my conferences and there's no proof
but we get one can save for one
if going on the twelve and it's why wasn't going on them that they weren't famous for me to evidence for it and of course because of this oppressions and what they did to us
we don't have you don't have all these wonderful manuscripts you could find a lot of them in pulpy a red zone the be a and and it where they came in the local towns can been carted off or manuscript sooner choir books and whatnot and you can see some of these things
in this in these cities but we don't have them anymore and something that's going to prove this hypothesis of won't we won't be done at home
we also know that there was some illumination were going on at forty of 'em and also at mood on we know quite a bit what's being done at salary candidates a micro of run famous house
and ah
we also have ah
another yes to comport about that in that role is mysterious hot or juliana of your we shouldn't have any manuscripts and criminal records or two people that have but i'm torn down the slide or we do
i'm touch and stopped hundred user
up with a hermitage we have some things we store her kid movie that haven't been written on the other mechanics have any wonder
what because it seemed quite serious but you just said sort of sage the cheap area
so i just assumed that moment that he was going to do something at some point or whether published or not but at least we would sue in our own heritage but he had to offer regarding
that's what i am i was understanding but he didn't say that
now that's interesting
when we have various references to a number of other off the leads who are less famous than the ones i've treated and i've listed them here
from our role is listed
our famous cosme will cause mom refer who was doing them world maps you want none because his work was miniature work to a great extent he was a fantastic colorist was known as such and this fellow don francesco don't care so work
to with his smile on his little miniatures there's ruminations on these are of and these other things he was doing
ah and
mom or not be i'm forgetting what do mama markings on his famous for something else in our history it's in another field not art
and he here also did back illumination miniature word also look at its houses for a come out of these new fairly cheap pavoni here we have happening peacocks of develops as its name fickle and chipotle
don't wanna get to santa i don't know anything about him other than one reference to
some work you did in our information houses and this nicole of the tour medicine
i have no i think about him either except running across some are and symmetry
so any a discussion questions
what will their workload or they think they've used to me like a three hour fire for you what i do know it's on
they've they've worked hard i mean there's evidence that statements and that and that on like if they said well do this set of choir books and have could you haven't done in two years' time that they river i mean israel long projects and that's why they got whole sense of assisted
it's and and artisans doing the are the last
dramatic work just to keep the process gone to the they haven't been a number of stages in the process and remember this time we're still working with were not working with paper as such for working with parchment and this is a the time it was still doing parchment by taking animal hides until the sixty
yeah century animal hides and soaking them in that's a lie and stretching about hanging out and skinning away most of the animal materials to have to a very thin and then drawing and parchment in the coating it they're working with that that's part of the stage to unless they're just buying parchment or a dumbass
workshop but even just the painting has so many levels they had a lot of people working i think the lockers they didn't have time clocks i mean written down of equivalent to a retired nurse but they do talk about all the time and effort
that moment and in surprising surprising short intervals such as one or two years to get in there are twenty times said these things dodgers
one column with server-side now if you because i didn't we can see me written prior to the way to china india and be really has
the way ahead of his time the i have a lecture on him to iran won't be giving at this point
we have one an epiphany to you
just very upset about problem we have ever hits here we want to know what the robot was measured isn't about over there is narrow was happening to your costs go graphical
you said the monster is also were involved women mean i don't know that i mean i don't know if arts work but that if they didn't they would buy already done by some other of monastic or secular school or workshop doing that because if i don't
think our people are necessarily involved in the that's a lie and all that they did i'm sure it was hired people returning them
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they must have been working i'm a lot with that with those kind of many have some kind of magnification
you ever read anything warrants on the actual how what they used and how they didn't i've never run across from your tool this thing about many radiata are now said was well you know how well it means are usually done with a via wash
one time like a lot of whoa whoa whoa a lot of dangers were gonna rip that way and i'm no run afterwards the that was like the first
the draw or on interesting because i'm just getting into studying my egg tempera so i can do that first panel of their virgin and there was a classic way of doing the temperature is also doing that first wash more of a burnt sienna type red brown when you know
in the red with around with and wow
the red and actually not really bread is it's more like character i have
ah that's interesting
that's what you think had why they probably said been used mini i think so because i voted in really interesting read errors or in favour caricom in comical for spam
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huge tom would sit for that aside and require that part of a sudden it still kept them in architect
okay we can quit early to their gratitude