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3. Participation and Poetry in the New Testament

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and his brush tricks and site the prosperous read the goodwin their unclear steep push of a summer never seen a granted green
summer luxurious for her of the orchard spray girls and the hidden tree and i began can get the way his burning male role as andrea but the rain had a big thumbs up the group but will never stop
god summer is always an imagined time time david just for time out of any mine there must be prime in the heart to the of that season the rich path rain and find writing the peerless days with perfect grades
the former grows on me

little more in keeping with wouldn't like the dirt about the known as one her couple by wallace stevens on the next to the page one has got the number thirty nine on it
and that was part of a long phone for the man with a blue guitar while marvelous problem that stephen go a long time ago this is towards the end
man or the ruger park and everything through the whole long-form as an a couples which will change size a little bit them go back to the same rhythm just keep plugging along with strumming a guitar
throw away the lights the definitions and say what you see in the guard but what is this or that it is that but do not use the rutted named how should you work in that space and know nothing of the madness of space nothing of a jocular procreation throw the like the word nothing much man between you and the shapes you take when the crust
the shape has been destroyed you as you are you are yourself the guitar surprises you

and then another one on the same page of which i only get the general drift but it's a delightful anything
there's another palm which is little more obscure that matches it that's number one in french government the cross is on the convent roads clean sharply as the sun comes up but down below is in the fast like last night's crickets for below and what's above is in the past sure that all the angels are why
should the future leaked the cloud the bays of heaven right a good chance oh ye faithful in your as the poem of long celestial death for who could tolerate the earth without that phone or without a nurse year one come dumpty dumb as of those cross into glittering and merely of their glittering and there are the of america life
much stadia
stephen to bring it all down to earth
there are pushing white heaven and hell and and the tradition and the past and religion and everything else and bring it back to that moment and across the glittering rising sun
to which he saw facebook the breakthrough actually giving them more transcendent dimension than a in
i want to the scepter to talk must be about the new testament and about participation in the unitary and new creation of an adjustment but there are few other things that we should perhaps a touch on her side so kind of zigzag a little bit one of those things we fear of
godfather every put that question of this morning and i didn't answer it completely enough i think because it dawned on me afterwards we were talking about a bit player
what he was really driving and i think he has out of the fear of god relate to this whole picture and that means the picture of
that history from original participation through the disappearance of participation forever and very dualistic world to the final participation and bargain speaks about through imagination
and i think
we have to understand the fear of god at a distance from the words
and as i looked back i realize that a fear of god it's very much present and original participation could what it is what it really means is not being afraid of god but are afraid of anything but it really means is acknowledging the more is acknowledging a transcendent therefore it is the very soul as it were that original participation
if you read about primitive peoples native americans for example someone who will stand before a tree and apologize to her before cutting a cat or will pray to the animal before hunting and killing respect for those cosmic manifestation of is the for those things in the world
is the expression of the respect for the transcendent which in this original participation as soon as part of the part of the cosmos not off somewhere else as with a creator god but by in and behind manifest in each but you can talk about that as animism and so on but it's it's quite a noble quite a high actually one with him and mm develop
and then respect respect also for the other person and respect for parents and knowledge but it can be exaggerated so that the person has tightened and and currently comes a slave but it's also a very beautiful thing and a thing that must in some way represent justification for people in that situation though it hadn't got be displayed for people that are like
that that people that simply acknowledge all they can find every bit of the supernatural they can find an acknowledged and respected back to it and live with it with that sensitivity now what happens when that original participation disappeared
i think that respect tends to disappear too because what you get very often is a kind of arrogant omnipotence were museums and the part of those were broken through the original participation
francis bacon somebody like that you get a very hard headed kind of reduction as in which refuses to acknowledge anything beyond which you can grip in your hand which you can see what you can define and what you can think through with your mind okay the kind of reductive science which can be quite vicious and which as we have seen can create monsters in our time
science and technology which says okay well that the man that's why it's it's humanity we've it's up to us and there's nothing that would have to recognize nothing beyond this feeling that we have to acknowledge respect about to there are no limits we can do whatever everyone want to do and went over that can go with the world wars and dictators
ships and picture of our time
final participation they do
the also i think with somebody somebody creative are some of the creative genius of the modern period to us i just have such a dozen i'm throwing off tradition that has had to do that it had to break through and pretended there's nothing else we checked myself and my genius which is a critical situation to the in but it happened to
lot of nineteenth and twentieth century artist somebody like james joyce whole thing as such a dozen the with a catholic upbringing that he really had to here to do violence to push you away
and then one is is condemned to be some kind of a lone genius and universe is if you have created all over here which is kind of pathetic
if it goes well however
then somehow that respect would
go along with the creativity there would be a creativity which doesn't have to push away the transgender but which has a sensitivity and goes along with it walks along the road with the more it doesn't have to be the more itself didn't have to be the more and the most and everything itself doesn't have to be kind of original
genius that able to walk along somehow knowing that it's feeding from from each other reality which is great stuff
this some beautiful things in a doubted check my facts
have enough karma to your health expect
about the powerful and then that the poor benighted guy who just goes on he doesn't know anything that knows how to feed from his mother his old men are bright bright and i'm dim dim and everybody strong strong and weak weak everybody's clear clear and i muddled bottom but i know how to feed from my
mother i know how to feed from the all i know somehow that that other presence which somehow they don't know if somehow power doesn't know how it doesn't need to know it
ha
me read another has thing here is kind of recapitulation
this is from the same book saving the thousand towards the end
original participation fires the heart from a source outside so
the images and live on the heart but in file participation since the death and resurrection the heart has fired from within by christ and it is for the heart to enliven the energy
that would be the meaning from this angle of jesus and that came to bring fire to the good
and final participation the heart is fired from within by the christ and it is for the heart to enliven the energy and of course then the images become conductors and five and the images themselves become the mediation become the the way of communicating of transmitting that same vein
because they come from there because they come from that imagination because they come from that life that intense life they take it with them and other people can
he touched by that life through them
another thing is that i was going to talk about has forgot to and that's this business of the eclipse of mystery we talked about the disappearance of her wisdom tradition in the western with that goes to disappearance of history which was kind of assassinated in various stages and mystery it tends to be a
fascinated by control
darkness or shadow tends to be assassinated or exiled by life like tech stage and that there's no room for the darkness you don't see the dirt on me pushed out to the edges and infect you forget it there and you forget that there may maybe something hidden minute
and there's a peculiar thing that happens also in emma new testament as a matter of fact because the old testament full poetry full of narrative poetry and and beautiful stories and thinks they're very deep and that all connected one another underground and then you come along and christ comes and if you read the father's you'll find them saying that well
there was the story of abraham dr david history of isaac and jacob of moses and all of this was a short of presenting a question all of this was senate mystery but now traced has come and clarified it all christ has come and answered the question what we had before with intimations and show
shadows now we have the substance and the fullness and the total answer
and for why we go along really very content with it but in the long line we may be a discontented and they may say well we'll have demonstrated that
did it really do that secretly anything that very complacent in that way if we have the final revelation which is shining now like the noonday sun in the sky we don't have to listen to anybody else we've got it all and since we haven't we can sort of dispense it very secure a position where no longer learners or anything
were no longer in the dialect were just teachers but is it really so the longer we live in the church to learn the way more we become convinced it's not so it all christ didn't come to clear up all the questions christ came to deepen the question price didn't come to wipe out whole the mystery but he did was to plant a new man
history in the heart of thing if we're talking about is bringing this quantum of a fire of energy and of light into the world he doesn't leave it on the surface he doesn't put it on a pole as a one of those great powerful electric lights that know that illuminates everything within then hundreds of yards it
doesn't do that he buries it in the earth and he buries it in our hearts so what it does is to disappear and put mystery had been hard at everything but a mystery now which has some kind of a central meaning of which were aware were aware and faith that we touched with the center of that mystery
but that phases darkness were aware and and contemplative experience but somehow we in touch with the totality that mystery of the participating that but it still remains in turkey it's not an unrivalled for it is not answered the question advantage and there's a big difference between a question and a mystery
and notice how jesus when people ask him questions and the gospel usually answer to have another question where he usually makes it worse there are almost always sorry as the question should we don't completely life yeah
like one on a come and say well by what authority to do do this you know when to have these kinds of he said well after the baptism of john come from manna from heaven and i said oh no
how could they don't want to africa if they do and in trouble and there's a hidden relation between those two forms and time i was a just makes it worse
and he puts it inside of us he put both the question and the answers on how much it has been you know the question is us an answer is us to there's a matter of fact i mean we are the question or life is question but what it does this is where you feed them you give them somebody that means that we're also the answer in so far as there isn't answered we don't get the answer would become yeah
and that's to your face and as to a kind of creative the next this new creation of them
becoming he asked for living answer which doesn't even see itself as an answer an answer doesn't stop the question and answer lives with the question like a marriage as that kind of thing rather than they answer that killed the question it's the answer that wedge the question and an essential happily ever after but not an issue with
the eclipse of mystery it happens with a a church which becomes too complacent which becomes to power for which has all the truth and you better believe it or not it and when a dog or becomes a kind of control face
essentially you i sent to this thing and you don't consider it further you don't get to the depths of it but the truth becomes law in some way truth becomes lot and that's too bad because truth is meant to be something that opens up something living and something which opens up to reveal which was it and which within a few you participate with
okay truth is supposed to be that way but when it becomes law have become hard and a kind of out of fear enters in a kind of sense of obligation
i suppose i can happen with the relationship to relationship has been has been fascinating and then all of this limits are all of us of its obligations to
so that's one step and the extinction of mostly the banishment of mystery
the other stuff i think is completed by science by the rational we can say masculine kind of thinking that become so successful afterwards on one side you've got the complacency of a church it's got an early together presidents in the high middle ages or thinks it has that guy
a parameter monarchical power weekend which can legislate everybody's faith in our village like then as that kind of goes into the shadows something else comes up which is similarly powerful and complacent and that science the same kind of assurance the same kind of absolute certainty and innocuous question you want to find out about something
like the newspapers or something if you want to find out about something call an expert in of you know that the experts have the answer experts presumably here and universities or something like fabric that and i think tank somewhere and they've got the answer an empty after you get there were that stuff is one of my question
and i'm afraid that's the kind of box we've gotten into in the modern eight were somehow we think that science to got the answer and science yourself can be pretty confused
and simply it doesn't approach the levels of reality on which the real questions in the real answer thought
okay now what i wanted to say the other side of this is it's a mystery goes into eclipse must go into exile sort of the light has become so strong and becomes a fluorescent like now that the science and so strong that the drives mystery added to the woods
what happened
something else begins to take the part of mystery begins to become an advocate for mystery and that would poetry
the obscurity of modern poetry corresponds in some way to the banishment of mystery from a shame and machine of religion
there's a miserable burst to summarize their when harvard history flatters with mastery than virgin mystery plays into poetry and that's why poetry becomes a religion for one thing that is connected with that reason why poetry becomes a religion because that numinous because a to infinite right
reality which before somehow you could live with and religion religion has but the wine during back into water and last that so it comes back somewhere else comes up from the bottom comes in from the side that comes in work on the outside or something like that and it comes in especially it into poetry poets just to get rebel and obscuring the mom
airport
that's one reason i'm sure there are other been part of it it just didn't just a balance a kind of beno reality which we have a meno truth when the everyday consciousness has become another of they don't because of its kind of linear eric because of its flatness because of its its lack of a sense of know
sturridge lack of depth dimension and something else has to be invented to bring them back into make that available when again and one of the chief
things it comes up to do that as with his poetry poetry has been able to take that over in some way and that's what motivates visual hard to understand and i try to supposed to be exposed in some way to break the neck of are assured rational progression you know
so for that reason a lot of people can't stand modern poetry
stevens is one of the most luxurious may obscure people around don't like that's his language was not always used by somebody talking and another room saying very intelligent things that you don't understand much like being in a an insane asylum for the philosopher for good
we're all talking bulgarian to but in a very convincing way an aggressive action
the
he defends that too sometimes i got a couple of palms of his business
it wasn't something that he just didn't instinctively that he thought about it
one was that part of the american of look at try that we just read

there's another one
called the creations of sound now here not gonna a commentator tell him that he's talking about me excited when we think so too clear on a a lot of people have complained about elegant me to clear its treatments next year for at least two sure and you know he's got too many clear sharp convictions and especially religious convictions for scheme and because impacts
he says if the poetry of extra music so that it came to him of its own that i think he feels elliot as planned his poetry too much you know he's he's designed it is constructed it to be coming out of the world
if the poetry of extra music so that it came to him other tone without understanding of understanding out of the wall or in the ceiling and sounds not chosen are chosen quickly and a freedom that was their element we should not know that x is an obstruction a man to exactly himself and that there are words better without an author without a poet
having a separate of us are a different poet and accretion from ourselves intelligent beyond intelligence an artificial man at a distance a secondary expository a being of sound on one does not approach through any exaggeration from him we collect tell x that speech is not dirty simon clarified this site
it's made still dirty
it is more than an imitation for the year he lacks this venerable complication his poems are not at the second part of five they do not make the visible a little hard to see make the visible a little hard to see
no reverberating eke out the mine on peculiar harms themselves eked out by the spontaneous particulars of sound we do not say ourselves like that in poems we say ourselves and syllable is that rise from the floor rising and speech we do not speak
that's kind of partners well that i once because it fits the thing that gradually kind of opens up to you after a while but that's the kind of the kind of communion with something else that is involved in this participation we're talking about this imaginative participation is the kind of com
precision and kind of
yeah
and that business of reverberating eke out the mind and peculiar mines themselves eked out by the spontaneous particulars of town the accidents of snap the accidents of the sound of a word which becomes part of the conversation
sometimes you did

he's got another worry about the lean cats and the arches of the churches
here is talking about earlier and company to early
the lean cats of the arches of the churches bask in the sun at which they feel transparent
a bear brightly the little beyond themselves
slightly unjust drawing that is their genius the exclusive areas of time

the students perhaps is a railing against on in the field said
the for and now i interviewed me in the longer he no longer communicate in milan were that partners we can be on it goes beyond inherited form okay i think it is it's the way that know it relates to his own poetry because own it was a smasher of forms and a creator of new form of he was a real innovator in that sense but
his poetry is very carefully plan and has a structure and also has underneath that kind of theological conviction of this minute later poetry i think stevens was reacting fanatic when he says the main capture the arches in the church of bask in the sun i think he means to advanced in the son of a face in the christian god for one thing that's what long shift
so he's taking your pretty far out stance there
but he's consistently with this idea of them as the the new creation which which makes it no basically where things come out from a different center and where they do her eyes with complete known as and spontaneity and freedom rather than coming
biologically from a preconceived conversion from what you believe that kind of filtering itself through various layers of your psyche and then coming out to create upon he wanted to come up from the floor and out of the war whirlwind and from this a poet beyond the politics of language invisible speaker
no it's pretty far less that's the difference absolute imagination imagination and at one point he says god and the imagination on one how how high the highest candle lights the dark that's later on
have you gotten imagination and finally comes to be able to see that god which is imagination to be the same as the christian god you can
okay i wanted to say something about parallels to the a model of party or that we were talking about family the progression from original participation to no participation and ventral final participation your imagination
you can find a lot of other guy
when you call it models for the same for the same history and especially in the bible and the think
but before getting to the bible i wanted to give you one that comes once again for richard turner system the epilogue his book and guess he likes astronomy and so his model of the same process is the copernican revolution were no longer do we see the sun rotating revolving around
the earth but the earth revolves around the sun so were flung out into space and somewhere and we are no longer at the center of the universe when no longer at the center of bring out the translation you have to make i think there mr clegg to be at the central to reality is to be and a unitary or participating relationship with reality
okay which you were in the old ptolemaic scheme because you had these circles of the heavens around you and they'd even related with your life you know from astrology on everything know that is a kind of cosmic homogeneity and into a relationship which everything related everything else never you are thoroughly participate but when you are
hung out into space with this copernican model and discover that it's cold up there and that you're not any longer at the center cannot any longer within reach you not have the the center of reality and the key to the meaning area of reality in your hands anymore you've lost a to so that image of the a concentric circles frenchman
and their meaning circles of meaning actually circles of wisdom around you and how kind of cosmos of wisdom around you has gone completely and the darkness and you're flying out there and a lot
so that's his first model is that it is the copernican revolution which is an astronomical scientific thing but he relates that the several other it's quite good amateur
is is copernicus now
the copernican shift in perspective can be seen as a fundamental metaphor for the entire modern world view the profound deconstruction of the naive understanding the critical recognition of the apparent condition of the objective world was unconscious determined by the condition of the subject maybe you can already hear katherine that because that's where it got
he sang from this proceeds day card
i'm fine or a cat and the being locked into a kind of relativism a kind of relativity by which are you know is what your project on the universe is where you project on reality and we can't know anything outside this charity at all
and from that country advertising of interpretation deconstruction construction
there were really separated from an absolute reality from didn't really stand because we separated from the center
the consequent liberation from the ancient and medieval cosmic warm
the radical displacement of the human being to a relative and peripheral position and a vast and impersonal universe the ensuing disenchantment of the natural world is you just the desert participation
a natural world is what we know is that it's the ground we walk upon the no more there's no other level of reality of their superior to it if no there's no transcended light shining through the the planet students from the start
in the broadest sense as an event that took place not only in astronomy and the scientists but in philosophy and then revision and and the collective human psyche the copernican revolution can be seen as constituting the epochal shift in the modern age it was a primordial the world is strike and world constituting
and philosophy and epistemology this larger copernican revolution took place in the dramatic series of intellectual advantage that began with car and culminated in cat
it was declared who first fully grasped and articulated the experience with the emerging autonomous mode himself as being fundamentally distinct and separate from an objective external world that it seeks to understand the mastic she does a further
dying of participation and got subject and object and that's it

and it goes on
do i just wanted to extract alignment to the shows are can't fit into them
the gardens in this sense but critical crucial midpoint between could benefit cousin cat between the copernican revolution in cosmology and a copernican revolution in epistemology which means that you can't have any longer be in touch with phenomenon with absolute the truth with central to
the reality
wherever the human mind was in some such fundamentally distinct and different from the external world that they could and if the only reality that the human mind have direct access to with it the to own experience than the world apprehended by the mind with ultimately only the mind's interpretation of the world so there we are failure

now that's a progression which is proceeding outwards and the other side of it the kind of return has not yet dawned another cat and what is the return to return as the discovery of the ultimate reality within the individual within at the core of the individual person and we've seen that as a creative reality
not just chose that moment of truth and power powerful to the light and fire
in which the creation of the world somehow center so will each check a microcosm of that
of the cosmos being created from within show
okay that sounds a little complicated with the biblical analogy is actually i'm not quite so complicated there's a consistent repeated pattern of going out in the oldest number abraham had to go out from his parents and his tribe and relatives into the unknown and then you got most it would you do it he has to bring the people
out from egypt from the comfort of and under the fleshpots from china egypt has also and of images that land of idolatry one of those a solid ancient cultures which adage divinities at its temple of
and you've gotta go out of any kind of the desert where there's nothing pellets the extinction of participation and so you get this continue a pattern of going out and leaving behind not only the images for everything else and they are interesting and then you've got the coming of the kingdom and what happens after that you've got the exact you've got another accident
when the judge if they cannot going to captivity across the northern kingdom number southern king of the temple is destroyed and the people are carry up in the captivity and carry out and it is because wild alien world
they were they had been able to build up a new center and a new symbolic universe there was a temple and with the priesthood the sacrifices and everything they want with it and so detailed their real testament and then it's all smashed to the ground and there's an added to exile and that's the point at which they have to discover it with them
what a bereavement has a and a book called creative word and which you talked about three phases of old testament revelation at the risk of destroying other little like i'd like to finance to this he talks about torah and then prophecy and then wisdom
in torah which is like the five books of moses you get a revelation which binds people together and of which there is no question this is the word of god and just to hear and obey it that's it people go and that pulls together a people that create a people and it also creates a kind of but symbolic universe and the center of certainty
and all of that and the kind of new participation after being caught out of egypt were given something to participate in which is this new people of god and through which and mediations through which god it is contact and not related to
then comes prophecy the consensus which has been established by the torah that word of god from as it begins to gentlemen of run especially with the kingship and it begins to be a shadow side was getting very heavy and so individuals riser who began will begin to assert the truth
from within their personal center being touched individually personally by god and sometimes out on the desert but always detached from the royal establishment and begin to come back and confront the official version of the word of god they confront the priests confront confronted canada confront the whole religious establishment
nonprofit
so something's happening soon there's gonna withdraw from the common consensus because something's turn bad in this kind of consensus it's gotten worldly in some way it settled down to the old ways of idolatry and one or another way so the individual is drawn out and then god communicates himself
do the individual from the center of that individual and the voice comes back and put the consensus on trial
the third stage is wisdom now what happens in a wisdom stage government doesn't bring this app will talk about it tomorrow they're not only is there a voice that comes up and accuses the what would you call it degenerate the decadent consensual to the establishment the participation that world and projects
patient
but a new participation and new unit to experience somehow is experienced with perceive and now it in some way is general is universal because there's an architect with nature there's a new reconciliation which is an on a larger base is a broader and deeper faces that
when the first one
typically speaking the first revelation was to a close people drawing out and building a wall around themselves in separation from nature and from everybody else that necessarily trying to corrupt
as it were the child is ejected from the war
and then a new participation a new unity rises from within the individual and which is unlimited some way because it relates to nature and to humankind and this typically happens in exile when the jews are in a situation far from their own center in their own structure
and among human being with whom they have to relate
the further biblical analogy to this process is the one of moving from the old testament to the noticed i'd like to go into that a little car when i'm i do you think my jesus comes into that religious establishment he comes in of judaism at that time and to division to the
graham and new testament but you're kind of the gospel of jesus coming into jerusalem and comes into the temple and he looks around and many kinds of the template throws out the money lenders anything and pretty sure i'm interested in the predicts that this temple is gonna be destroyed and i'm replace it in three days in another time and and to go the temple it's himself at his own body
but it's a body now which is not just an individual body but somehow it's corporate somehow is communal
so the old participation is gonna be destroyed that religious solidarity and mediation of god which was exterior and exterior law and exterior worship and extraordinary temple of stone a nation and the city and and turn on the paraphernalia of the old system
that's gonna be destroyed and a new participation is going to take place which is completely in the human person
this is a way to get and don't about cosmos that now just having a person but it's within the human body and i think everybody is cause management because the human body is nature human body is earth but the new worship is no longer that external shell but it's something that awakens within the individual heart fills the individual body and by means of that the individual is one would be
larger body the participation of the individual body soul and spirit with the bigger one which is the body of christ in there somehow one
so that i think it is the same process theologically speaking that's the center i believe of the movement from the old much as efficient to a new participation and here we entered the previous participation in which was a pre great misery of that isn't figure
ah
okay many i should stop at this point she of their on a year
questions or clarification from going on a bit more to talk about an interesting in itself yet this time we read op scaring my poetry pm
and recognize that same trend and i'm in my arms well i think starting there seems to be part of it is the
to detach and little bit from kind of explanations i was going to her part of it is the recognition of the breakdown of an order and the freedom that the results before a new order has settled into work and to place okay but at the same time it's the recognition and it's best
that the breakdown of ordered and that freedom that you get the point of not temporary or permanent and so how the essence is there it's a grasping of the and freedom of the human person with respect to the cosmos and we expected every immigrant and structure okay
a fiercer deeper grasping of the essence of the freedom of creativity than has been before perhaps and i'm not but have listed in system the absoluteness of your therefore somebody and more of a germ shaming movements and modern art there are data isn't and surrealism and saw our expression for that freedom
somehow that work in a complacent bourgeois world where it has to be spoken with that kind of
hard agency that the time
you you see that they can become their owner they can become here on gotten and it into know knowing him too because the trouble they say that the individual has taken a very risky step and cutting off all tradition in our group so you're left us with what's inside yourself in your body on insurance and your particular cafe
so the to reconstruct reality of that can quit it so easily it can turn back and become something pretty terrible
but at the st has an important witness after the fire
it's kind that the history like a gardener fortunate i was actually quite tragic and i could cause of that witness and what is really saying and then how the lives of people and area
yeah i guess i'm sensing the answer is a dangerous an argument because become replaced by some kind of for the dynamically you know he is
hired live relatively area and or our dietary and sooner or later it's gotta find something artichoke it's gotta look into some kind of participation and it's gotta find some kind of coherent from the world because a lot of that energy is expended in breaking up the patterns but something that has to reconstruct
next three or visit that freedom that yeah freedom from which this very good is a voluntary groups like the mama cables and we get the team to that can now have roofing right now i can't really because it's soon as it's exterior as it's in some way misinterpreted because you're going to try to imitate the
experience and that's not to find it all
to communicate to spark is maybe a rare event like like the same thing and something them
i'm back to the fear of the line isn't there somewhere in elimination something silly like and christ where your were men and lot of wiring harness its neck like crash three is why they've tightened and hundred one
where do you can't recommend there's a lot of that in the old testament and also there's some of them a new testament that is
sometimes i don't know what to do with it sometimes i just have to file it in know until violet for further enlightenment about the old might be around the environment so close in some generations the the wall yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i can now and then
how can you be intimate with your cash
we're fortunate that fortunately haven't one in one image and i think that there are a lot of things in the new testament can be scandalous even when jesus as like to begin and and one that was not going to take the better the children to go into the dodge but then we have to come back and interpreted old from the centre which we know is that that god is a god of love and the whole
teachings of jesus are all about that love or ball about that way of relating and that way of conceiving god and so when we interpret those things somehow in terms of that center of the gospel
either it just
it just sort of shrouds them and said well don't worry about you know to understand if you don't have to meanwhile this is the true or sometimes it unlocks and for instance for some of the parables some of the pilot had this ferocity about them you know like the the servant who at the end is handed over to the torturers until he pays the last penny i
i think that's supposed to be a joke
yeah because see that with the parable is is made in order to address us in our state of paranoia so the comedy is is any exaggeration of the parable and the fact that has really talking about a god who is nothing but love
but where that were that appears is in the story of the two servants remember the first one has been forgiven this enormous debt and the second and then it goes on and hit somebody owes him a fifty cent you know so he goes on and chokes him and put him in jail until they beijing so the master is indignant and turned him over to the tortured and shot do you do you see how
that's a it has to turn in china because the whole thing is about mercy the whole thing is about forgiveness the whole things about something else besides torture and punishment and all that therefore it's a kind of go on which has to flip it inside out so that we discover that inside of it is a revelation of unlimited forgiveness okay
it is also my attempt to get fear not because what's wrong with then the of them is he had the of god i know know your goddamn and then creating a complementary in and here i will not make it the pair of god in that case it was the memory of what he had to forgive it because god
was with manifest in that in his own his own boss and his own master that average it though it could be that the torture as if you laugh in your mouth while won it last time yeah and then to stay with that memory is quite as find new capturing couldn't
that had added the demo with the force in the things that too will the tortures to resist love banality the torture is is to fight that to be opposed to that which is trying to open me to infinite as it were enjoyment and are infinite varnish to be pavlo all my energies involved in resisting that is the torture i believe
but this idea that somehow you have to surrender somehow you have to open and then that configure but unless you're a coherent with what you're given it's like thing about the wedding garment throw an area and getting america please i mean image you can't you can't have it unless you want to be it you can't happen and as you agree to be it you can't receive it and
as you take it you can't have it unless you wanna have it if you really want to have it then it's going to demand all the july i have to turn into that if you wanna know i forget today with the to town he didn't do anything in in season to face those how little that little our and hey i know if this terrible what going to talk about yeah i think
i thought i was trying to interpreted failure to respect the day i am getting know i think it's christian it fits and eight with his new creation get content innocent and better
it's one another one of these paranoid things okay the master what does this guy say to the master and comes back he says i knew you were a demanding man a hard man reaps where he did not so okay and takes back what he did not get and so on how to get your transport ten and a sense because it's gotta be transferred
gotta be pumped out of that harshness into something else has gotta be reversed just to break open now i think it means that could give that you are given
if you understand it you will if you understand that fire that you've been given give the fire okay if you understand that which you going to set something on fire week if you don't you're gonna lose even the fire they get up the understanding that the understanding as a in the infinite creativity of which given to you the gift is given to you can call it love you can go
grace you can cover to creative gift or whatever okay but the basic understanding is listening is infinitely heard of that this gift is actually god himself has been given to me and someone and if i understand it as that and i will be a recording and i'll begin to transform the world if i don't if i think it's something
i don't know something just dead or and nerd or i think is no no bigger than i am from why then that's the equivalent a very so i think that's one that flips around very clearly to the the kind of creative expansiveness you can give that we've been given whether you interpreted as love or with your interpreted as that fire creativity from the one
one that has war will be given because what he does his fire and that's going to set fire to something else okay that the investing in the parallel image to that is being given a match and the master tell you gone said fire detection and then you set fire to one hundred acres and you go back and said here's your hundred acres on fire into rate and but if you bury it in the
ground and it goes out what should the little that you had this taken away cause you to know it was so the powerful has this wisdom twist to it than you have to pop through to a kind of enlightenment and the enlightenment is in an imaginative breakthrough it's breakthrough and imagination whereby you actually conquer the images that have been given to you in the parable and they break
open in leverage like thing explodes like the tussle of imagination the power of imagination until the not cracks and opens and then there's not one image and it's this this thing beyond images which is the creative fire fire is is i think somehow the right interpretive image for that arab
of the challenge to the one that has one will be given because what he as it is god's energy and to the one that does not have he was given if they didn't understand it there for it doesn't have it you don't have what you don't understand okay if you'd understand what it is that it's fire you can put it to work as fire if you don't understand it and you might as well not have it
okay so it's a supply and no certification for the the littler kids chores not
have to think that
well i think that i won't i have understood that long time as a way to have you ever going to give to someone and they resented the quarterback that you've give me something that they feel may be obligated to return or that they feel like you have ulterior motives or something like that
and so it's actually a misperception of the nature of the giver that prompts that resentment and and so and you know the same way i don't know there's lyric that hot june and my head about our freedom of choice is that it's paths our freedom of choice which god created from choices what you why
that some people resent the fact that got gives them freedom you know yeah yeah and just have what they want the certainty they are all their questions answered want to live in an uncertain world are they don't want to live with this yeah and they resent the fact that got some i'm break into their world that way and says this is really where where that
and and they don't want to be given a baby elephant that's going to grow up and break their house time in which is an essential
i think that the local man demanded is to prevent that presented to the participating they wanted i think they did because it that the interesting i did them that the earliest people
this thing go on saying and i change
and then into the natura management always been made didn't mean to integrate the patristic period is closing it all up going on anything but you know but in some way i think what happened at a certain point the door of the patristic me to become to closed and we have to go on from that point so i think there's
something that hasn't been revealed get to it was revealed and shade and then show that is obscured and forgotten something about the dynamism after even theology gets institutionalized and will try to become an entrepreneur a letter to to kind of saturn and everything the dynamism somehow goes out of it out of the gift changed to me but some of the father who just marvelous because they have
the fresh contacted a seat with the ground and up and so much spreading in every direction and i've discovered dollars brand new and so the experience that we'd have have known as is is right directly connected with the managed they have and contact the gospel in contact with a new culture from punishment and the the pressure fresh to heat and pressure
i think it's in the olympic even consider that and then he never come the invitation yeah they are the asian it say that a family were there she says because the the through the adjective were carefully
into the same illusion because because they can the that isn't that long
not manage that
i'm betting that am in fact as if we didn't belong to it and that's it easy to get you know the nothing authenticate to teach you to that you're actually here at cetera and so it's are not a participant to yeah vision
like when you first look at of by course of through a microscope and oh rose up and changed yet at the dispensary
five
so he then didn't by the into tradition they've become that work in a complex until
the
the events of the camera i mean that martha
it's there any when you can have the cameras can capture the image that's real love the patient
yes it feels something the now
i some of a particular the very perturbed by the cameras feel if you to steal their religions from to the image and the name like a participative thing
okay
it's about five o'clock and i'm gonna keep your much longer
i didn't want to say one thing about the relationship between contemplation and imagination which much fundamental because we talked about the unity of experience and the imaginative experience with creative experience and know
was a containing a detour internet good related
and somehow one is rooted in the other if you take the image of of a light and think of yourself as being a light i
this light name as it were live in two ways it can live within itself this would be the contemplative a the contemplative side the unit of experience with the this light into the candle candle flame and you are the flame of that canada now think of that kind of planets having a life within itself that that light somehow that that chemistry that's going on
me and a candle flame that interaction with itself is a kind of externalized metaphor for something else which is life itself simply life simply the the imminent should we say activity or ferment or or why or life so the like in itself is living the
like is living in itself think of intelligence think and has been like a light which is living in a job now may shine out of something else an illuminated that may come back and they digest that where it may simply shine within itself could you think of god as being a light shining a shop i think that's often ultimate or it's not completely satisfied
the image that you can some somewhere
now suppose that this might just in rondo torture of and luminosity of being of the one asking a marvelous expression as if you could enter into that moment ah city and just go into deeper and deeper and deeper levels of pure luminosity which would be your life your life is a light would open
up and take your intuition okay you've down and down and i get one more and more intense but you can say a word about computers from town to a dream and with the dream into something deeper and would never work to bring back up to the surface about that only the light has opened up and as it opened up your own being somehow that opened up with mexico and just life living
within itself and like being like with within and show joe to reflecting within themselves in other words are externalized own interactive in the wrong mechanical all things relating with one another their own dualistic and have no way of talking about the is non dualistic this blind which discovered himself to be right and you know that's enough that's efficiency
and within a job with a more intense flight which is is itself and beyond and of so to the i am discovering the i am within show deeper and deeper a deep friendship the expanding understand the attraction to and into the water goes to the bottom but as it as it sinks into the water more and more intention tench light until you
is carried beyond us open the intensity of that life and forgets everything else that might be the contemplative side of the experience but suppose that light damage is shining outward and is shining out toward something else suppose you're in just out and in the hell in the woods and the
this light is shining over at of tree and bringing some how to treat back to its of bringing in the image of the back to a tough but it goes out of this tree and suppose that that light now his imagination
and that it shines out of the tree and as it goes out to the to bring something with it it's not only life but it also freedom suppose it has a peculiar character of it's not suppose this is the human life and now this you've got something of something of god's freedom something of god's creativity within it and so it carry that out to the tree and takes the tree up into that creativity
into that freedom and then bring you the tree back to itself in some i suppose it's going out and it's going out it is taking this freedom and this creativity this whatever it is the spirit of god out into the world and so i'm emerging with the world merging with nature merging with the tree out there so that it produces something as it were in the middle so that there's a kind of and
marriage in a child has produced and the chairman of say as a poem or something like that or the child is simply and imagine that your experience a creative experience okay that would be the second orientation of the right it's the same light but it's in two different postures and it were two different phases of it's life has turned inward to itself and the unity of experience what
moving out into the created were added to the visible were interacting with that and somehow be getting something producing something now that which had produces is a bit is just a little glimpse just a little just a little sliver of the new creation it's like the reflection of the new creation just done it on
on a piece of glass or something like that a momentary the collection and momentary sample of that that new creation which however is infinitely precious because it contains not just the freedom the creativity of the human person but the very somehow creativity in light of god within it very create
give energy of the very divinity isn't it regarding about participation
so that it really brings for the beginning somehow are a reflection of new creation which may be very weak be very momentary you very fragile and poems for instance are very weak and momentary and federal things they're like bubbles very often you wonder why anybody would mess with the dutch the region professional model because somehow there there's a glimpse of of way
it's happening and so we can talk about that has been final participation and barfield environment i don't much like that an expression final participation because it suggests something which is to fund colleges and i were close to ever have no further stages whereas isn't just a glimpse just a vestige sister just a beginning
but what i'm proposing is that those two functions are actually just two faces of of the same like that life of light reaches of it then it's a light which is also freedom
st paul says the
the lord is the spirit and says the lord is the spirit the word is the spirit between the word and spirit as a communication and is a dead and reverse as there is the case to go a little more into the question of the of the trinity tomorrow and other entries into politics but much of what i've been talking about as a kind of
pattern behind it which was a fan
product
word
and scourge
and what we get horrified of work and the point is casual or rush out of every kind of for a world
so many candidate the the ultimate basis where the ultimate archetype when these various
quaternary or mandelic things that i'm trying to find was no talk the father has been the invisible com the absolute emulator corresponding for that minute and center in our sharks were not represented shattered
but back and is the god who is only known through mediation with these mediations are imminent mediation the participant too many mediation to they're going to to mediation and i could run into the word which is the visibility
that which is now says that which we have seen the original question about that and that's not an fishing and revelation the other spirit is the eminent still invisible interior and unity manifestation of that cat
now you only know it like being it only not by having adventures on my know if i panic inside of it doesn't know how to check on the inside now have scientist instrument
it's is the outside that were word itself
the inside of the word for it is veronica
and tomorrow example if you want times of passionate because business of here
this is from work
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and then spirit and the eastern christians if you were named to money
the world can easily for the fantastic connected structure established institutions where the spirit of spontaneity between and the image into your yard and that which worked individually they're not and within show
characterized by freedom other than consistency
we're continually submitted to stretch looked like one think
the i've been pretty helpful for getting things together and if a paternity is shape than the number of completeness and this is such biography
the trinity and nice very casual that is why were concerned that the contaminated that we can extract ourselves from the picture is participated as a promotional thing we can't take ourselves out of we can talk just about current incarnation of happen and everywhere this as can run into its of this point as well
we are one
john webber an image of the whole thing
okay i think that's a pretty safe anonymous and somebody can read like to her
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